Part P scams

brucelee · Jun 26, 2013

another unnecessarry change and as for the 3rd party I&T hasnt come in yet even though it was supposed to be in line with the new PART P doc coming out , schemes arent providing this due to providing warranties and who would be responsible for what
A complete load of tosh
Part p was supposed to be reducing the burden on sparks all its done is made it easier again for rogues whilst charging us a small fortune for what

To the Op If you are already Qualified and experienced then join a scheme get some work then go for the 2394- 95
as long as you have 17th edition qual do it now as they should have changed the registration requirments
soon you will need NVQ lv3 or A new QS qual thats also coming out more changes more mess
If you have technical cert or similar / apprenticeship they will let you in jsut need a working knowledge of the regs and building regs recent work to show all certificated correctly , 2 million PLI, calibrated tester, BS7671, OSG, Part P doc

they will send you a pack if you contact them with all the info for whats required

you shouldnt have a problem with your experience

mtfpuk2011 · Jun 27, 2013

I got my assment on tuesday with elecsa

Skyba · Jun 27, 2013

brucelee said:
another unnecessarry change and as for the 3rd party I&T hasnt come in yet even though it was supposed to be in line with the new PART P doc coming out , schemes arent providing this due to providing warranties and who would be responsible for what
A complete load of tosh
Part p was supposed to be reducing the burden on sparks all its done is made it easier again for rogues whilst charging us a small fortune for what

To the Op If you are already Qualified and experienced then join a scheme get some work then go for the 2394- 95
as long as you have 17th edition qual do it now as they should have changed the registration requirments
soon you will need NVQ lv3 or A new QS qual thats also coming out more changes more mess
If you have technical cert or similar / apprenticeship they will let you in jsut need a working knowledge of the regs and building regs recent work to show all certificated correctly , 2 million PLI, calibrated tester, BS7671, OSG, Part P doc

they will send you a pack if you contact them with all the info for whats required

you shouldnt have a problem with your experience

thanks for the info, I spoke to a few scams about the changes but they don't really effect me as I have an NVQ3, I was looking more at napit than niceic as they will cover you for commercial and industrial at no extra cost if you are a gold carded spark yet niceic charge a fortune for an approved contractor, not that I'll be doing much ind/commercial stuff as I've kinda had my fill for a while but it's always nice to be able to a bit here and there.

Choppo_3 · Jun 28, 2013

Skyba said:
thanks for the info, I spoke to a few scams about the changes but they don't really effect me as I have an NVQ3, I was looking more at napit than niceic as they will cover you for commercial and industrial at no extra cost if you are a gold carded spark yet niceic charge a fortune for an approved contractor, not that I'll be doing much ind/commercial stuff as I've kinda had my fill for a while but it's always nice to be able to a bit here and there.

Was unaware of napit being full scope may have to look into this further as I was looking into elecsa for part p as I've heard good things about them

BangTidy · Jun 28, 2013

Just found an article out about 3rd party certifies.

Where Is The Register of 3rd Party Certifiers?

Sharpend · Jun 28, 2013

I feel sorry for all you that pay for the scams, was talking to a head of LABC recently and he confirmed my thoughts. If you can produce qualifications proving your competence then most LABC will accept your certificates. As he said no electrician will be prosecuted for non notification if their install/work is fully compliant with the bs7671. Still carry on and keep paying!!!!!

brucelee · Jun 28, 2013

Hi mate
and the alternative is paying LABC a large fee which when I asked my LABC was £190 per job and even though I had all quals inc 2391 , NVQ etc and even though I am qualified to carry out the work and complete certs they would still need to send a 3rd part I&T to check the work as its upto them whether they will accept your certificates and tests results or not

oldtimer · Jun 28, 2013

Sharpend said:
I feel sorry for all you that pay for the scams, was talking to a head of LABC recently and he confirmed my thoughts. If you can produce qualifications proving your competence then most LABC will accept your certificates. As he said no electrician will be prosecuted for non notification if their install/work is fully compliant with the bs7671. Still carry on and keep paying!!!!!

Sharpend this applies in Scotland its called "Certification by Enquiry" and some planning who have not been brainwashed prefer it because if you are a member of a scheme you put scheme number on the cert and thats it but By Enquiry you put a copy of the testers cal cert and a front and back copy of your SJIB card that lists your quals and the bonus is it has your picture on it .

Look at it this way say a guy uses his mates scheme number and something goes wrong "By Enquiry" is a full audit system ie to the customer was this the person who did the job type of thing and a cal cert for the tester. But using your mates scheme number could not happen could it ????? well lets just say thats why planning prefers "By Enquiry"

Plus they have to accept this under the European Free Trade Act if not it would be a cartel with the Schemes and descrimination to the individual

terminator · Jun 28, 2013

While I agree with some of your comments Oldtimer, the Insurance companies are beginning to ask for certification by recognised schemes (usually NIC because of misinformation, which is annoying) - so eventually the customer will be turned down by the insurance, if the certs are not from 'approved' schemes with their heading on the paperwork. This is becoming quite common especially with commercial and industrial insurers. so eventually you have to join a scam in order to get the work.