part time and part p ?

[RISElectrical]

Personally if it were me, I wouldn't sack myself for not notifying a job. I think its far more dangerous to let a wet behind the ears Electrical Trainee lose than a time served and competent electrician free. Electrical Trainee+NICEIC DI vs JIB approved spark with years of experience?

I don't think that LABC will prosecute for a job well done and not notified and if they did they would probably just ask for the fee that should have been paid. Losing your job is ludicrous

 

[sparkyblake2011]

Hi al,

l i have literally just finished my level 2 and my freind asked me if i could wired up his new extension to the house once it is done, i had to say to him i would find out if i could do it so i was just writing to see if i could be able to do the job and get someone else in to test and inspect it after me. I have done jobs in the past but have been working for someone so i know what i am doing, just this time doing it to myself. So if you could just help me and maybe give me some informations it would be a great help.

Thanks
Chris

 

[Tonkatoy27]

Hi Chris, personally, I wouldn't certify someone elses work. To put it another way, would you take responsibility for peoples lives if you hadn't installed everything yourself.


On another note. I agree with the principles of Part P but am very frustrated that it is USELESS. I informed NICEIC about a local sparky who recently changed a CU and installed a shower circuit. He only tested the shower circuit and made 8 other errors on his installation cert. All obviously due to lack of knowledge and not caring really. I sent a copy of the test form to the niceic and they replied by saying they would do NOTHING. If the client had contacted the sparky and given him oppertunity to redo the certificates properly and he had not carried the remedial work out in a 'reasonable' time would they step in but even then, it would not garentee an inspection of the work or further assesment of the said sparky.


Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Personally I think this is neglegent by them and THEY are the ones putting peoples lives at risk. I don't doubt that ELECSA and NAPPIT have the same guidelines. (I'm ELECSA and have allways been very happy with their service, especially the tech help)
So there you go, Part P = Unenforceable tosh

 

[Guest111]

Reminds me of an incident years ago when I rewired a neighbours house he just bought,back in the day you,d get manweb or someone to ticket the job if it was for a mortgage anyway the job got delayed and then I was going on holiday and the neighbour started being funny over the ticket saying he thought it was a bodge job etc.So I arranged the inspection while I was on holiday to shut him up,anyway guy from manweb comes out and sees a piece of 2" plastic tube fixed above cu opens it and inside was a set of test results and an as fitted drawing listing the number of points on each circuit and their location.Neighbour was speechless when inspector said it was best job he,d seen in a long while,just did it because thats what we did at the factory I worked in.

 

[Guitarist]

Hi Chris, personally, I wouldn't certify someone elses work. To put it another way, would you take responsibility for peoples lives if you hadn't installed everything yourself.


On another note. I agree with the principles of Part P but am very frustrated that it is USELESS. I informed NICEIC about a local sparky who recently changed a CU and installed a shower circuit. He only tested the shower circuit and made 8 other errors on his installation cert. All obviously due to lack of knowledge and not caring really. I sent a copy of the test form to the niceic and they replied by saying they would do NOTHING. If the client had contacted the sparky and given him oppertunity to redo the certificates properly and he had not carried the remedial work out in a 'reasonable' time would they step in but even then, it would not garentee an inspection of the work or further assesment of the said sparky.


Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Personally I think this is neglegent by them and THEY are the ones putting peoples lives at risk. I don't doubt that ELECSA and NAPPIT have the same guidelines. (I'm ELECSA and have allways been very happy with their service, especially the tech help)
So there you go, Part P = Unenforceable tosh

I find it totally unacceptable also. We pay a fortune to be part P registered and to have the backup of the scheme providers. We also expect them to do a certain amount of "policing" of their members to ensure high quality prevails. Not only do LBC not seem to care about notified work not being notified, but the schemes (who are supposed to ensure that all members are competent) don't seem to care either.
I am just speechless....

 

[telectrix]

Mine is £60 (for a qualified Electrician - not registered) or £120 for a lay peson

If your only planing on doing 1-3 jobs then its not worth it - if your not going to save at least £200 the register with NAPIT or another scheme. Its all down to how much money your going to save and how much you have to throw at the registration - only you can answer this - do the maths.

(also get yourself a list of all notifiable jobs! so you know what is and not notifiable)

well our Local Area Barracuda Colony charge £180+VAT for notification of a CU change by a non-scam qualified spark. what a bloody farce!

 

[Bill Beng]

Why would a certificate make a blind bit of diffrence to the quality of workmanship. You wouldn't just deliberately cut corners or ram something because u know ur not certing it, how would u sleep at night knowing u left a property that wasn't safe. I think if ur qualified and experienced than u shouldn't have to pay anyone for the privellage. Certs are worth it in industrial and commercial premises mainly for insurance purposes, but domestically know one gives a s**t about em. U can never stop have-ago-heroes doin work theirselves but if u can prove competency then building control should just give us the thumbs up without no cost. Self certifying schemes.......... Money for old rope!!

 

[Guitarist]

Why would a certificate make a blind bit of diffrence to the quality of workmanship. You wouldn't just deliberately cut corners or ram something because u know ur not certing it, how would u sleep at night knowing u left a property that wasn't safe. I think if ur qualified and experienced than u shouldn't have to pay anyone for the privellage. Certs are worth it in industrial and commercial premises mainly for insurance purposes, but domestically know one gives a s**t about em. U can never stop have-ago-heroes doin work theirselves but if u can prove competency then building control should just give us the thumbs up without no cost. Self certifying schemes.......... Money for old rope!!

You are right, a certificate doesn't alter the quality of workmanship, good or bad. It does allow following sparkys to see what has been done and the results obtained tho.
Totally agree that fully qualified sparks shouldn't be paying a fortune each year to be in a "scheme", but if you think there are cowboy electricians who don't sleep at night, then think again