:rolleyes:Hi every one
I have tried to get in to the electricial trade full time for the last year or so but as we know it is pretty dire out there!! I have a non electrical job full time but have been doing odd jobs here and there part time electricialy i under stand about part p ect non notifiable jobs and notifiable jobs!! i have 2330 level 2 and level 3 ,17th edition and 2391 inpsect and test.i have public and indemnity insurance i keep shying away from notifiable jobs as i have not joined napit yet.question is !!!! is there any one out there in the same position as me and is it worth joining napit !!!! i am confident in inspection and test on single and 3 phase installs as i have done some work with my brother in law as he is a maintenance spark can i justify the cost of part p when i work part time doing lecy work any help would be most gratefull

Rich
 
i am elecsa registered, it costs about £400 a year (plus about £2 for each job), and for me it is a must. i think if you want to go down the domestic line it is an absolute nescessity but i suppose it depends how much domestic work you get or want as to whether its worth your while, but if you are getting more enquires for work then i would say get registered and take a gamble
 
take the leap...!!! alternatively speak to your Local Building Department and try and BARGAIN!!! its not not unknown for them to assess your work and if they happy they will allow you to just INFORM them for a FEE agreed between your self...! some times as low as £40 admin fee..!

but after 10 notifiyable jobs you will become worse off... or you will be worse off if they wont bargain and harge £220 per job!! lol


im Elecsa and i pay 370&Vat other schems are very closely priced also... NICEIC price matched Elecsa Recently and Napit just do there own thing! lol

i know a few sparks who also "use another company's registration number for a PRICE" but i wont comment on that any more!
 
Im with NICEIC they charge £450 approx. Spoke with my LABC they wanted £120.00 plus VAT for a CU change. Three of those in one year pays the £450 and I dont have to turn down any jobs so take the plunge you dont want to get a reputation for turning down jobs.

Good luck



Chris
 
Try joining the NAPIT 8 scheme, this allows you the benefit of being able to notify upto 8 jobs per year for a cheaper membership fee, keep these for your bigger jobs, and continue with unnotifiable works for the rest and see how it goes over first 12 months.
 
Can we get a firm answer and decision on this beacause as I read through this forum I become more and more confused,,,on all the courses I have just done which includes Part P and 2391 Inspection,Test and Certification,,,we were told that you must be registered with one of the schemes to sign off work your own or other peoples and issue a Certificate,,,,,The rules say you must be a competent Person??? So what is the real and actual take on this,,,,because I see quite a few people on here who reckon YOU DO NOT need to be registered with NICEIC, NAPIT or ECA etc, etc, to sign off work and issue a Certificate, AND IS THE 2391 A DEFINATE MUST HAVE???
Can we have an Official ANSWER on this.........Thank you............Signed Confused.com
 
you can legally sign off your work and issue certificates without being a scam member. however, for notifiable work, notifying LABC beforehand and paying their scandalous fees is expensive.
 
Wait a few months and see what changes come into effect with the new Part P. There is talk about Electricians in England being able to sign off work done by non registered persons.

Otherwise do the notifications through LABC.

As guide if do more than 5 notifiable jobs a year then registration is worth it - if your doing less than 5 per year hen you might as well stay with LABC.
Call LABC and ask them how much they charge and do the calculations
 
Wait a few months and see what changes come into effect with the new Part P. There is talk about Electricians in England being able to sign off work done by non registered persons.

Otherwise do the notifications through LABC.

As guide if do more than 5 notifiable jobs a year then registration is worth it - if your doing less than 5 per year hen you might as well stay with LABC.
Call LABC and ask them how much they charge and do the calculations

It's not just a case of what notifying costs though Nicholas. One has to notify in advance and wait for a pre-work visit, as well as a sign-off visit after completion of work, so a lot of hassle... Notifying with my LBC costs £180 and even if I planned to do 2 or 3 jobs a year, I wouldn't get the work unless I was willing to pay that fee myself.
 
Im with NICEIC they charge £450 approx. Spoke with my LABC they wanted £120.00 plus VAT for a CU change. Three of those in one year pays the £450 and I dont have to turn down any jobs so take the plunge you dont want to get a reputation for turning down jobs.

Good luck



Chris

The first thing a lot of potential customers ask is whether I can sign-off work. Even if it isn't a notifiable job, they still want the reassurance that you can tackle anything that comes along straight away.
 
You have 2 issues

Electrical regs
Anyone can issue a electrical certificate if you can prove you are competent.

Building Regs
Certain electrical work needs Building Control approval.
2 ways of doing this Join a scam who will notify BC or notification to BC direct

Some say no one has been prosecuted for not notifying BC but they have been prosecuted if the work was substandard and did not comply


 
Mine is £60 (for a qualified Electrician - not registered) or £120 for a lay peson

If your only planing on doing 1-3 jobs then its not worth it - if your not going to save at least £200 the register with NAPIT or another scheme. Its all down to how much money your going to save and how much you have to throw at the registration - only you can answer this - do the maths.

(also get yourself a list of all notifiable jobs! so you know what is and not notifiable)
 
You have 2 issues

Electrical regs
Anyone can issue a electrical certificate if you can prove you are competent.

Building Regs
Certain electrical work needs Building Control approval.
2 ways of doing this Join a scam who will notify BC or notification to BC direct

Some say no one has been prosecuted for not notifying BC but they have been prosecuted if the work was substandard and did not comply



Please dont try and hint to people that they may get away with not complying!

Notify all work that is notifiable - just think - is not notifying work worth your job?
 
Who says you will lose your job by not notifying
Can you show one instance where someone has been prosecuted and lost their job for not notifying .

For the record i am registered and agree with part p but i am in a similar situation where for health reasons i am unable to work full time and getting fed up paying out and will thinbk hard when my renewal is due, when the building reg is unenforced and that most of the public dont know anything about it.

This is just my view and i would never tell someone not to register but its good to show all sides

We all moan about part p but what do we do about it.
 
Fully agree Matty - but just remember that you cant prove to your customer that you are confident in what your doing unless you have that logo!
I know there are some with that logo who are not confident at all!

If LABC or Trading Standards wanted to bring you to court for not compiling with B-Regs they could - it is really not worth it!

Until Part P changes the only way to notify are through a scheme or LABC
 
Personally if it were me, I wouldn't sack myself for not notifying a job. I think its far more dangerous to let a wet behind the ears Electrical Trainee lose than a time served and competent electrician free. Electrical Trainee+NICEIC DI vs JIB approved spark with years of experience?

I don't think that LABC will prosecute for a job well done and not notified and if they did they would probably just ask for the fee that should have been paid. Losing your job is ludicrous
 
Hi al,

l i have literally just finished my level 2 and my freind asked me if i could wired up his new extension to the house once it is done, i had to say to him i would find out if i could do it so i was just writing to see if i could be able to do the job and get someone else in to test and inspect it after me. I have done jobs in the past but have been working for someone so i know what i am doing, just this time doing it to myself. So if you could just help me and maybe give me some informations it would be a great help.

Thanks
Chris
 
Hi Chris, personally, I wouldn't certify someone elses work. To put it another way, would you take responsibility for peoples lives if you hadn't installed everything yourself.


On another note. I agree with the principles of Part P but am very frustrated that it is USELESS. I informed NICEIC about a local sparky who recently changed a CU and installed a shower circuit. He only tested the shower circuit and made 8 other errors on his installation cert. All obviously due to lack of knowledge and not caring really. I sent a copy of the test form to the niceic and they replied by saying they would do NOTHING. If the client had contacted the sparky and given him oppertunity to redo the certificates properly and he had not carried the remedial work out in a 'reasonable' time would they step in but even then, it would not garentee an inspection of the work or further assesment of the said sparky.


Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Personally I think this is neglegent by them and THEY are the ones putting peoples lives at risk. I don't doubt that ELECSA and NAPPIT have the same guidelines. (I'm ELECSA and have allways been very happy with their service, especially the tech help)
So there you go, Part P = Unenforceable tosh
 
Reminds me of an incident years ago when I rewired a neighbours house he just bought,back in the day you,d get manweb or someone to ticket the job if it was for a mortgage anyway the job got delayed and then I was going on holiday and the neighbour started being funny over the ticket saying he thought it was a bodge job etc.So I arranged the inspection while I was on holiday to shut him up,anyway guy from manweb comes out and sees a piece of 2" plastic tube fixed above cu opens it and inside was a set of test results and an as fitted drawing listing the number of points on each circuit and their location.Neighbour was speechless when inspector said it was best job he,d seen in a long while,just did it because thats what we did at the factory I worked in.
 
Hi Chris, personally, I wouldn't certify someone elses work. To put it another way, would you take responsibility for peoples lives if you hadn't installed everything yourself.


On another note. I agree with the principles of Part P but am very frustrated that it is USELESS. I informed NICEIC about a local sparky who recently changed a CU and installed a shower circuit. He only tested the shower circuit and made 8 other errors on his installation cert. All obviously due to lack of knowledge and not caring really. I sent a copy of the test form to the niceic and they replied by saying they would do NOTHING. If the client had contacted the sparky and given him oppertunity to redo the certificates properly and he had not carried the remedial work out in a 'reasonable' time would they step in but even then, it would not garentee an inspection of the work or further assesment of the said sparky.


Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Personally I think this is neglegent by them and THEY are the ones putting peoples lives at risk. I don't doubt that ELECSA and NAPPIT have the same guidelines. (I'm ELECSA and have allways been very happy with their service, especially the tech help)
So there you go, Part P = Unenforceable tosh

I find it totally unacceptable also. We pay a fortune to be part P registered and to have the backup of the scheme providers. We also expect them to do a certain amount of "policing" of their members to ensure high quality prevails. Not only do LBC not seem to care about notified work not being notified, but the schemes (who are supposed to ensure that all members are competent) don't seem to care either.
I am just speechless....
 
Mine is £60 (for a qualified Electrician - not registered) or £120 for a lay peson

If your only planing on doing 1-3 jobs then its not worth it - if your not going to save at least £200 the register with NAPIT or another scheme. Its all down to how much money your going to save and how much you have to throw at the registration - only you can answer this - do the maths.

(also get yourself a list of all notifiable jobs! so you know what is and not notifiable)

well our Local Area Barracuda Colony charge £180+VAT for notification of a CU change by a non-scam qualified spark. what a bloody farce!
 
Why would a certificate make a blind bit of diffrence to the quality of workmanship. You wouldn't just deliberately cut corners or ram something because u know ur not certing it, how would u sleep at night knowing u left a property that wasn't safe. I think if ur qualified and experienced than u shouldn't have to pay anyone for the privellage. Certs are worth it in industrial and commercial premises mainly for insurance purposes, but domestically know one gives a s**t about em. U can never stop have-ago-heroes doin work theirselves but if u can prove competency then building control should just give us the thumbs up without no cost. Self certifying schemes.......... Money for old rope!!
 
Why would a certificate make a blind bit of diffrence to the quality of workmanship. You wouldn't just deliberately cut corners or ram something because u know ur not certing it, how would u sleep at night knowing u left a property that wasn't safe. I think if ur qualified and experienced than u shouldn't have to pay anyone for the privellage. Certs are worth it in industrial and commercial premises mainly for insurance purposes, but domestically know one gives a s**t about em. U can never stop have-ago-heroes doin work theirselves but if u can prove competency then building control should just give us the thumbs up without no cost. Self certifying schemes.......... Money for old rope!!

You are right, a certificate doesn't alter the quality of workmanship, good or bad. It does allow following sparkys to see what has been done and the results obtained tho.
Totally agree that fully qualified sparks shouldn't be paying a fortune each year to be in a "scheme", but if you think there are cowboy electricians who don't sleep at night, then think again :)
 

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