Pendants/Batten holders in bathrooms

[dook]

Another topic that has probably arisen in many previous posts but I need some clarification on.

We never install pendants/batten holders in bathrooms but when going into properties that have got them, what are the rules.

Asked a colleague and he said "...as long as it is out of reach" but in the BRB it says you cannot use 'placing out of reach' as protection against electric shock in a bathroom. The only other thing i can find is that you should only use IPX4 rated equipment in zones 1 & 2. Does this mean you can put pendants in bathrooms outside these zones?

I'm still learning and I'm not qualified to test yet so what would you guys put on a PIR if you had a pendant in a bathroom.

Cheers in advance.

 

[telectrix]

pendants in bathrooms is a deffo.no. no. code 1 on a pir in my mind. enclosed fitting anywhere, except- IP 44 zone 2. IP65 zone 1

 

[dook]

pendants in bathrooms is a deffo.no. no. code 1 on a pir in my mind. enclosed fitting anywhere, except- IP 44 zone 2. IP65 zone 1

Is this your personal preference? Obviously its better be overly safe but reg 701.512.2 says you only need IPX4 for zones 1 and 2 or am I reading it wrong?

 

[IQ Electrical]

There is no requirement for specific IP rating of equipment outside of the zones but obviously a bit of common sense should be applied.

Placing out of reach is a totally different concept to what your friend is referring to.

So as long as the pendant is outside of the zones and not subjected to splashing or jets, there is no need to apply any code on a PIR-what regulation would you quote if asked?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

There is no requirement for specific IP rating of equipment outside of the zones but obviously a bit of common sense should be applied.

Placing out of reach is a totally different concept to what your friend is referring to.

So as long as the pendant is outside of the zones and not subjected to splashing or jets, there is no need to apply any code on a PIR-what regulation would you quote if asked?

Correct.

 

[telectrix]

i was referring to zones 1 and 2 when i said ip rated. on a similar vein. can somebody settle an argument? is a FCU, fitted in
outside zone notifiable?

 

[IQ Electrical]

i was referring to zones 1 and 2 when i said ip rated. on a similar vein. can somebody settle an argument? is a FCU, fitted in
outside zone notifiable?

As far as I remember, Document P does not refer to the zones, only the special locations so I'm 99% sure it would be notifiable work.

 

[dook]

So are we saying that a pendant outside of any zones is not a code 1 and is in fact OK (common sense allowing!)

 

[IQ Electrical]

So are we saying that a pendant outside of any zones is not a code 1 and is in fact OK (common sense allowing!)

Exactly

 

[Sintra]

I would always use a TRS lampholder on a pendant in a bath or shower room to stop any condensation seeping down the flex and into the holder.

 

[roukel01]

pendants in bathrooms is a deffo.no. no. code 1 on a pir in my mind. enclosed fitting anywhere, except- IP 44 zone 2. IP65 zone 1

A little harsh!! However i do prefer enclosed fittings anywhere in bathrooms myself.

 

[telectrix]

A little harsh!! However i do prefer enclosed fittings anywhere in bathrooms myself.

agreed. i always was under the impressin that one of the reasons we did'nt fit pendants in bathrooms was because of condensation running down the flex, apart from being reachable with wet feet. ( and this was long before zones were introduced)

 

[dook]

I would always use a TRS lampholder on a pendant in a bath or shower room to stop any condensation seeping down the flex and into the holder.

Sorry to be a numpty but what is TRS lampholder?

 

[Sintra]

It's one of these.

 

[Wiredspark]

apart from being reachable with wet feet.

Wow, thats some long legs