Periodic question.

[067256]

Hi there,
Awaiting a reply from ELECSA on this as i am not 100% sure.
Are you required to be Part P to carry out periodic inspections or do you just need to be 'competent'. I am with elecsa.....do i have to register my periodics with them or not?
I have been asked by a local lettings agency to carry out various repair works, testing etc. How do you stand with raising certs for the work etc? do elecsa accept certs for lettings agencies.
THANKS.

 

[Rockingit]

As you are not doing any notifiable work to local buildings control, Part P does not come into it. Therefore, Elecsa/NICEIC/etc etc have no involvement at all.

Assuming that you are competent to do so (and there's more to inspection and testing than just knowing how your MFT works), then you do the PIR / EICR on the appropriate forms and send them to the customer, keeping a copy for your records.

When they ask you to then correct some of the faults that you've found, you then have to adhere to the Part P regs according to the work you are doing.

 

[Octopus]

Investing in some Professional Indemnity Insurance would be sensible too

 

[Rockingit]

Oh - a PS. Both Elecsa and NICEIC confusingly also have 'PIR schemes'. You DO NOT have to be registered. All these schemes do is take money out of your bank account and put it into theirs, with nothing extra going back into yours.

 

[Octopus]

Oh - a PS. Both Elecsa and NICEIC confusingly also have 'PIR schemes'. You DO NOT have to be registered. All these schemes do is take money out of your bank account and put it into theirs, with nothing extra going back into yours.

Agreed, but in an ever crowded market having some form of registration may make commercial sense at some point.

 

[Rockingit]

So when was the last time you didn't get an inspection job because the client was demanding membership of a scheme?

 

[067256]

It was the periodic info on the elecsa website that made me think, hence why i rang...and am still awaiting a reply.
Appreciate the help guys, should of guessed its another money spinner. Just started on my own after 15 years on jib rate.
Got public liability and test and inspect goes without saying.
Thanks again.

 

[Octopus]

It was the periodic info on the elecsa website that made me think, hence why i rang...and am still awaiting a reply.
Appreciate the help guys, should of guessed its another money spinner. Just started on my own after 15 years on jib rate.
Got public liability and test and inspect goes without saying.
Thanks again.

NB: Public Liability is different to Professional Indemnity.

 

[Rampage]

Depends on the purpose of the inspection.
If the local authority or an insurance company has requested it, then they may require you to be registered with a scheme.

 

[Goody]

Oh - a PS. Both Elecsa and NICEIC confusingly also have 'PIR schemes'. You DO NOT have to be registered. All these schemes do is take money out of your bank account and put it into theirs, with nothing extra going back into yours.

NICEIC states that Periodic inspection reporting is not included within the scope of the NICEIC Domestic Installer Scheme. It's bit confusing that a Domestic Installer can install, certify and notify his own work but can't inspect & report an existing installation.

Weird statement!

 

[mogga]

Thats correct Goody as PIRs are or can be very involved and complex and due the the limited experience that 5 week wonders have there is a greater probabillity of them coming across or missing something that would have neeb gained through time and knowlage working in the industry

 

[Rockingit]

NICEIC states that Periodic inspection reporting is not included within the scope of the NICEIC Domestic Installer Scheme. It's bit confusing that a Domestic Installer can install, certify and notify his own work but can't inspect & report an existing installation.

Weird statement!

The Regs do not differentiate between grades of electricians. The DI scheme is only concerned with Part P requirements, that is why it is excluded. It doesn't stop a DI scheme member doing PIR's.

If you think about it, a twenty year time-served sparky starts doing domestic work, joins a Part P scheme and is then all of a sudden incompetent to do PIR's just because the NICEIC says so?! Utter nonsense.