Possible boiler conflict

[ruston]

while a lot of your post, chris, is over my head, still an excellent and useful post for future reference.

Certainly is ,thank you.

 

[chris murphy]

while a lot of your post, chris, is over my head, still an excellent and useful post for future reference.

"Hello telectrix",


Thanks very much for the compliment - as I have mentioned in previous posts I try to help with the type of Subject that needasparks enquired about - something where My knowledge of Gas Safety etc. can advise on a matter which is associated with Electrical Works that an Electrician / Member is involved in or is proposing to carry out.


Nearly ALL of the Posts on the Forum about `General Electrical Works` and ALL of the Posts about Specialised Electrical Works are `Over My Head` - But I am trying to see if I can help Members regarding Heating - Gas - Plumbing as a `Pay Back` for the help that I received from topquark regarding My First ever Post on the Forum.

He helped Me with an unusual enquiry [unusual for Me] about wiring a Programmable Room Thermostat to control a Boiler in My Home where I had previously removed the 2 Zone Valves and pipework configuration because I was fitting a New Boiler - in a completely new position.

I had severely injured My Back and had just managed to re-pipe ONLY the Flow and Return pipework to the Old Boiler for use in the Winter - No Zone Valves as I had intended to install new ones on the pipework from the New Boiler.

I needed to know how to wire up the Programmable [Battery Operated] Room Thermostat to control the Boiler to prevent it `Cycling` - keeping Firing Up to satisfy the Boiler Thermostat Setting.

This was `Unusual` to ME because normally there would be Zone Valves on the System - I do know how to wire the `S Plan` Control System but I needed exact instructions on how to wire the Room Thermostat / Programmer / Boiler where there are NO Zone Valves as I had never come across this before.

topquark went through this with Me - in detail - this enabled Me to be able to wire the System and prevent the Boiler `Cycling` - which obviously saved Me a lot of Money - it would have been `Prohibitive` to have operated the Heating System without Thermostatic Control !

Although We now know that there was a VERY Mild Winter - I could not have known this in advance.


For reasons that I explained during My Posts about that enquiry I did not have access to the Electrician who used to wire up My Heating Systems previously to even Ask how to do this as He had `Gone Traveling` around the World.


I am really grateful to topquark for His help with that and that is the reason that I am trying to `Pay Back` the Electricians Forum by helping other Members occasionally with subjects such as Heating and Gas enquiries.


I am not really interested in other Forums where Heating Engineers - Gas Engineers and Plumbers are Members - as there will be more than enough knowledge amongst them to help each other - I am interested in trying to be helpful to the Members on this Forum.


Regards,


Chris

 

[chris murphy]

Certainly is ,thank you.

"Hello ruston",


Thanks for your comment.


Chris

 

[ruston]

:smile5: It's a pleasure , it's nice to be nice and your posts will be a great help to sparks in a similar situation.

 

[needasparks]

Ditto what others have said, can't really add to that, they said it all.
Thanks again guys, great help.

 

[alli]

I would just like to thank needasparks and Chris Murphy, for a very interesting question and answer. I must admit I don't know if I would have thought of possible problems caused by fitting a fan in the same room as a boiler in that type of situation. Just goes to show you never stop learning, and I will certainly be thinking of it from now.

 

[chris murphy]

Ditto what others have said, can't really add to that, they said it all.
Thanks again guys, great help.

"Hello needasparks",


What did You decide to do regarding the Surveyor / Installing the Extract Fan - regarding the possibility of the `Cross Ventilation` of the Boiler Compartment - ?

Regards,


Chris

 

[needasparks]

At the time i was waiting for replies so had to make an educated guess on the spot so stuck to my first post that i did not know enough information on the boiler system fitted and that I was not able to install a fan until information was provided that the boiler would be safe in its location. this was passed to the council surveyor. This was obviously before the information you guys gave me but am sticking to it as although I trust what has been mentioned and with no disrespect but me saying as a sparks thats its ok now because the blokes on the internet said so does not promote confidence. I see it as i have highlighted a possible problem and hopefully the so called surveyor will look closer at this and other jobs a little better, if i have to go back and fit the fan so be it, i've not lost a thing.
Makes you wonder how many of these installs have been done without this regard even though this time it was not a problem, as i earlier said i'm no expert on heating systems but i always do look at possible conflicting items relating to my installs. I guess if i had not had a good teacher many years ago i would not have given it a second thought but it happend once and was pointed out to me and i have never forgotten it but to be fair that was many years ago and boilers have moved on and left me behind but to me it just looked an old style.

 

[chris murphy]

At the time i was waiting for replies so had to make an educated guess on the spot so stuck to my first post that i did not know enough information on the boiler system fitted and that I was not able to install a fan until information was provided that the boiler would be safe in its location. this was passed to the council surveyor. This was obviously before the information you guys gave me but am sticking to it as although I trust what has been mentioned and with no disrespect but me saying as a sparks thats its ok now because the blokes on the internet said so does not promote confidence. I see it as i have highlighted a possible problem and hopefully the so called surveyor will look closer at this and other jobs a little better, if i have to go back and fit the fan so be it, i've not lost a thing.
Makes you wonder how many of these installs have been done without this regard even though this time it was not a problem, as i earlier said i'm no expert on heating systems but i always do look at possible conflicting items relating to my installs. I guess if i had not had a good teacher many years ago i would not have given it a second thought but it happend once and was pointed out to me and i have never forgotten it but to be fair that was many years ago and boilers have moved on and left me behind but to me it just looked an old style.

"Hello again needasparks",


You definitely have the correct attitude about this - Including NOT deciding to go ahead with the installation of the Extract Fan in these circumstances - even after finding out that the Gas Water Heater is a Room Sealed Appliance.

I congratulate You on your Professionalism and regard to Gas Safety / Gas Regulations.


My entire reason for going into so much detail about the circumstances of the Water Heater Compartment and the `Cross Ventilation` of that Compartment was to prompt You to notify the Surveyor about this - You will remember that I advised that one a couple of occasions.

I am sure that You noticed that at no point was I advising You that because the Water Heater was found to be a Room Sealed Appliance - and therefore the Flue would NOT be affected by the installation of the Extract Fan - You should just `go ahead` and install the Extract Fan.

That is why I then let You know about the Compartment Ventilation Issues.


Regards,

Chris

 

[needasparks]

No worries Chris, I did pick up on what you did BTW.
cheers