Pricing

[kev.k]

Hi,

What's everyone's preferred way of pricing? I've never done per point but seen that quote a lot of people do it that way. Just doing an extension at the minute with the following,

14 spots
1 island pendant
4 outside lights
4 gang modular switch
1 new 6mm hob circuit
1 new 2.5mm radial circuit (1 point)
10 sockets
new water bond 5 metres (stop tap has been moved)

All white accessories, what would people do per point on this?

Thanks

 

[Jock from the north]

Hi,

What's everyone's preferred way of pricing? I've never done per point but seen that quote a lot of people do it that way. Just doing an extension at the minute with the following,

14 spots
1 island pendant
4 outside lights
4 gang modular switch
1 new 6mm hob circuit
1 new 2.5mm radial circuit (1 point)
10 sockets
new water bond 5 metres (stop tap has been moved)

All white accessories, what would people do per point on this?

Thanks

Hi I prefer pricing my labour and materials separately its easier and faster but some kitchen companies etc like every point priced individually, per socket ,per isolator etc .just means you have to factor in everything that goes into a single socket for example ,cable ,labour,back box,socket,testing.alot more complicated and generally works out more expensive to customer.i don't mind spending an extra bit of labour I havnt priced for rather than sit at home and figure out multiple prices for what is similar points .just as a side note I hate grid switches ,trying to squeeze 2.5 into crappy mk grid switches and making sure cables are secure as your twisting modules is a nightmare. Done alot of eicrs and if there's ever a broken ring it's the first place I look .I generally only ever have 3 mods on a grid .

 

[kev.k]

Hi I prefer pricing my labour and materials separately its easier and faster but some kitchen companies etc like every point priced individually, per socket ,per isolator etc .just means you have to factor in everything that goes into a single socket for example ,cable ,labour,back box,socket,testing.alot more complicated and generally works out more expensive to customer.i don't mind spending an extra bit of labour I havnt priced for rather than sit at home and figure out multiple prices for what is similar points .just as a side note I hate grid switches ,trying to squeeze 2.5 into crappy mk grid switches and making sure cables are secure as your twisting modules is a nightmare. Done alot of eicrs and if there's ever a broken ring it's the first place I look .I generally only ever have 3 mods on a grid .

Thanks for the info. Out of interest what would you be pricing on this? (roughly as obviously you haven't looked at the job) 6mm hob circuit is about 8 metres from the db, access under the house.

Thanks

 

[buzzlightyear]

labour price and then costing for materials works out best.

 

[Jock from the north]

Thanks for the info. Out of interest what would you be pricing on this? (roughly as obviously you haven't looked at the job) 6mm hob circuit is about 8 metres from the db, access under the house.

Thanks

Not including rcd,mcb,rcbo or spd as I don't know what's in place. 15 metres of 6mm allowing for routing and switchwire to hob .30 pound for cable,15 pound for isolator,10 pound for cooker outlet,a few quid for back boxes ,labour including connecting hob and at consumer and testing 2 hours labour at 30 or 35
So 55 for material
And 60 or 70 for labour
I think that's a fair price but I'm in North of Scotland so cheaper up here

 

[kev.k]

Not including rcd,mcb,rcbo or spd as I don't know what's in place. 15 metres of 6mm allowing for routing and switchwire to hob .30 pound for cable,15 pound for isolator,10 pound for cooker outlet,a few quid for back boxes ,labour including connecting hob and at consumer and testing 2 hours labour at 30 or 35
So 55 for material
And 60 or 70 for labour
I think that's a fair price but I'm in North of Scotland so cheaper up here

Thanks again for the reply. I actually meant for the whole lot, just gave you the hob circuit length so you could factor it in.

For the hob circuit alone though that seems very cheap, £70 for labour to run a new circuit db to point, connect inside db, install back box, isolator and connect the hob then test and issue cert/notify. Surely you'd be charging more for that

 

[SparkySy]

Around our way, (Midlands) that would be between 3-4k for that,
I have been doing an alteration to a large kitchen including much the same as your quote and two new oven feeds, a quooker tap supply and a new ring final circuit. All lighting to be controlled by quinetic switches.
All white plastic accessories.
Double pole RCBO's for the new circuits.
The first fix has been 2.3k.
We are now awaiting the plastering to be completed then painted and the kitchen fitted before returning for second fix.
All in, the end job will come in around 4k for the electrical Installation.

 

[kev.k]

Around our way, (Midlands) that would be between 3-4k for that,
I have been doing an alteration to a large kitchen including much the same as your quote and two new oven feeds, a quooker tap supply and a new ring final circuit. All lighting to be controlled by quinetic switches.
All white plastic accessories.
Double pole RCBO's for the new circuits.
The first fix has been 2.3k.
We are now awaiting the plastering to be completed then painted and the kitchen fitted before returning for second fix.
All in, the end job will come in around 4k for the electrical Installation.

Thanks for the reply, forgot there's Quooker supply on this also. Just good to get an idea of what everyone else is pricing to make sure not under pricing myself (or over). Thanks again

 

[Jock from the north]

Thanks again for the reply. I actually meant for the whole lot, just gave you the hob circuit length so you could factor it in.

For the hob circuit alone though that seems very cheap, £70 for labour to run a new circuit db to point, connect inside db, install back box, isolator and connect the hob then test and issue cert/notify. Surely you'd be charging more for that

Maybe just a rough estimate .without seeing the job and what would be required at dB price may increase .if it was part of the project I don't think I would be much more than that .I'd like to think on a first fix/second fix kitchen when other circuits are being installed at same time it would be a reasonable price .I also think 2 hours would be sufficient for installation and test cert but maybe that's why the soles are hanging off my boots

 

[richy3333]

Way way too low on price. Take the advice from SparkySy.

 

[Jock from the north]

Way way too low on price. Take the advice from SparkySy.

taken on board ,

Way way too low on price. Take the advice from SparkySy.

noted thanks .

 

[simpson93]

Hi,

What's everyone's preferred way of pricing? I've never done per point but seen that quote a lot of people do it that way. Just doing an extension at the minute with the following,

14 spots
1 island pendant
4 outside lights
4 gang modular switch
1 new 6mm hob circuit
1 new 2.5mm radial circuit (1 point)
10 sockets
new water bond 5 metres (stop tap has been moved)

All white accessories, what would people do per point on this?

Thanks

roughly 4k in total

 

[Jock from the north]

roughly 4k in total

What are you guys charging an hour.in Aberdeenshire most self employed sparks don't go over the 35 an hour mark.thats not to say you dont allow for getting from job to job.im reading that sparks in England and southern Scotland are charging 50 an hour.thats fine if you have employees but say for instance you allowed for 8 jobs in 1 day taking travelling into account etc that's up to 400 plus material pounds per day when it might just be a day of fitting new pendants and replacing broken sockets etc and very limited testing .a week of that would earn you 2 grand .I realize that fitting 8 jobs in a day would be near impossible but not entirely unlikely ,I used to do leasing and some of the jobs were just changing lamps or a faulty shower switch .I know there is a big gap in cost of living between countries but for a sparky to pull home 2 grand a week and have there feet up in front of tv by 3 pm seems like a dream job.

 

[simpson93]

What are you guys charging an hour.in Aberdeenshire most self employed sparks don't go over the 35 an hour mark.thats not to say you dont allow for getting from job to job.im reading that sparks in England and southern Scotland are charging 50 an hour.thats fine if you have employees but say for instance you allowed for 8 jobs in 1 day taking travelling into account etc that's up to 400 plus material pounds per day when it might just be a day of fitting new pendants and replacing broken sockets etc and very limited testing .a week of that would earn you 2 grand .I realize that fitting 8 jobs in a day would be near impossible but not entirely unlikely ,I used to do leasing and some of the jobs were just changing lamps or a faulty shower switch .I know there is a big gap in cost of living between countries but for a sparky to pull home 2 grand a week and have there feet up in front of tv by 3 pm seems like a dream job.

£80 P/h try and aim for 5chargable hrs a day.

 

[richy3333]

What are you guys charging an hour.in Aberdeenshire most self employed sparks don't go over the 35 an hour mark.thats not to say you dont allow for getting from job to job.im reading that sparks in England and southern Scotland are charging 50 an hour.thats fine if you have employees but say for instance you allowed for 8 jobs in 1 day taking travelling into account etc that's up to 400 plus material pounds per day when it might just be a day of fitting new pendants and replacing broken sockets etc and very limited testing .a week of that would earn you 2 grand .I realize that fitting 8 jobs in a day would be near impossible but not entirely unlikely ,I used to do leasing and some of the jobs were just changing lamps or a faulty shower switch .I know there is a big gap in cost of living between countries but for a sparky to pull home 2 grand a week and have there feet up in front of tv by 3 pm seems like a dream job.

They can’t run a viable business at £35 per hour. I’d guess that Aberdeen is affected by offshore sparks doing ‘foreigners’ when back on shore. Don’t try and compete with them as you’ll never win.

Work out your costs - van, tools, holidays, sick time, fuel. Work out the number of days per year you want to work. Divide one against the other for a minimum £ per hour. Then add something % for profit.

Spark near me did a similar job which included a new CU and a bit more wiring to some more rooms. The work is dog Sh!t and hes trying to charge £13K.