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I have put in about 8 Wattsons last week and have not had a great experience with them, so we have brought in some the solo pv from greenenergyoptions

Has anyone installed these yet? Any feedback?

I also wondered whether anyone could recommend any universal pv monitors that are any good?

I also wondered why we havent had a 'universal' datalogger that could be fitted to any pv system just to log the generated total (day,week,year etc) and upload to a server? Does one exist?

Any views would be great!
 
GEO Pv Unit has been covered on here many times, i use them on all my install bar SMA, there great, and you can upload data to online portal.
 
There's always the Solar Log 200 (Overview) which can connect to most makes of inverters, and comes in both ethernet and wifi versions (as well as the more functional Solar Log 500 and 1000). These aren't cheap however.
 
My experience with the solo has been great so far. I do have one customer who is struggling to upload data, Got a feeling its user error mind.
 
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Hi all

I have put in about 8 Wattsons last week and have not had a great experience with them, so we have brought in some the solo pv from greenenergyoptions

Has anyone installed these yet? Any feedback?

I also wondered whether anyone could recommend any universal pv monitors that are any good?

I also wondered why we havent had a 'universal' datalogger that could be fitted to any pv system just to log the generated total (day,week,year etc) and upload to a server? Does one exist?

Any views would be great!

Would be interested to hear about what problems you have encountered with the Wattsons as we are thinking of offering them to customers as a 'Premium' upgrade from the standard monitors we fit (eco eye)

was it Wattson solar or just the standard wattsons you fitted?
 
We've had problems with the GEO monitors. We've had a few of them that have failed to display the data after a couple of weeks (or even hours). Going back to one of them today. I could well do without having to mess around with them.
 
Thas happened to me, easy fix, needs repairing to transmitter, will post instructions soon.

ive done loads of these, know most of the quirks
 
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Hi,

3 things can be causing it not to read the generation.

1) - The LED reader is not directly over the flashing LED on the meter

2) - Most likley - The LED reader is not inserted into the transmitter far enough, they need a real hard push in to position.

3) - It needs re-pairing onto another channel, do the following:

With the Solo turned on and on the home screen press and hold the pair button on the back of the display, keep this pressed until the words NETLEFT appear.
Press and hold the middle button on the front of the display until you are back on the home screen again.
You need to turn the Solo off and on again by removing the power supply, while it is starting up again the Solo will find the best wireless channel to work on, wait for it to get back on the home screen.
While this is starting up take the transmitter and remove one of the batteries.
Press and release the pair button and you should see the words PAIRING displayed.
On the transmitter you need to press and hold the pair button while re-inserting the battery that you removed earlier. You will see a green LED light flash this will now be in pair mode with the display, your display should now show PAIRED and you should see a tick.
You can now return to the home screen by pushing the middle button on the display and connect the transmitter back up.
 
I also wondered whether anyone could recommend any universal pv monitors that are any good?

I also wondered why we havent had a 'universal' datalogger that could be fitted to any pv system just to log the generated total (day,week,year etc) and upload to a server? Does one exist?

Any views would be great!

I am looking into installing a Current Cost EnviR monitor with a NetSmart 24 bridge in order to monitor a pv installation remotely via the Current Cost web-based dashboard.

Has anybody any experience of this system please?
 
Aurora PVI. I'm monitoring my home system using the Aurora PowerOne Communicator programme on a pc, which works brilliantly (although at present I can only get this programme to work with Windows XP and not Windows 7 - still waiting for a 'fix').

I want to monitor a second system remotely without the need for a pc - hence the Current Cost.
 
I'm looking to order a display for my upcoming install. Would the Geo Solo PV be my best option? Inverter will be a Fronius IG TL 3.6.
 
"I am looking into installing a Current Cost EnviR monitor with a NetSmart 24 bridge in order to monitor a pv installation remotely via the Current Cost web-based dashboard.

Has anybody any experience of this system please?"


I have this as part of my system:

Advantages :

accurate to within about 2% of the PV meter (so far) - provided it is coupled to an Optismart optical reader and NOT a current clamp
Gives a web based graphical display of energy throughout the day
the monitor sits nicely in the house and you can see PV without interrogating a web page via a PC.
Data can be downloaded as csv.

Disadvantages :

If using the data output via the bridge : cannot measure anything if the meter LED is constant - so only works if the PV is generating (which makes sense) or if the consumer meter is consuming (mine turns green if I am a net exporter).
The bridge has a habit of freezing and the only way out is a reboot. All data during the freeze is lost.

Not a bad system overall though!


 
We have experienced problems with the Wattson meter. The GEO is also a little over priced for the quality of the unit IMO. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any one manufacturer that has jumped on the opportunity to produce a decent unit for the UK market. I have heard they are less interested in "desktop monitoring" in Germany, hence why the market does not have several third party devices that are of good quality at a good price.

Most of the inverter manufacturers have their own units, but as many installers use 2 or 3 inverter brands, it is difficult to get the best unit to work with different systems.

We major on SolarMax inverters, and they have recently brought out a free app for iphone (Android version to follow soon) that communicates with the inverter wirelessly. This approach seems to me to be the future of monitoring, where inverters are wireless enabled, and any third party can write an app that can communicate with it. I would imagine the manufacturers will resist this however, since it removes a good add on sale for them! We also stock smart meters which have positive and negative points to their use.

If the SolarMax or smart meter option is of interest feel free to get in touch.
 
Re the Current Cost equipment - they have told me that freezing used to be a problem but more recent versions have resolved the issues and it is now very stable. Is yours an older version?
 
Oh!

Well, we'll give it a go as it's the only system we've found that can monitor and upload data to the internet to be viewed remotely, without the need for a computer in the chain.
 
I feel a bit like an interloper here as I am not a professional, only an individual who is looking to monitor energy in from the PV panels and out by domestic use. Piggy backing this thread as well, but the discussion does seem nearly what I was looking for.
The Geo Solo PV looks fine (but expensive) but this is only monitioring energy coming in. I could cope with that, especially as it must be dead accurate as it uses the LED light on the generation meter and am prepared to buy one if there is nothing else. But the idea of the Wattson Solar plus is better with it monitoring both energy in and out - however, surely using clamps is going to be intrinsically inaccurate? Our domestic meter is new and also has a LED. Surely the logical thing would be for the IDEA of the Wattson but both monitor cables, incoming and outgoing, monitoring the relevant LED lights rather than clamps? Are there any such monitors around? Will there be?
 
I feel a bit like an interloper here as I am not a professional, only an individual who is looking to monitor energy in from the PV panels and out by domestic use. Piggy backing this thread as well, but the discussion does seem nearly what I was looking for.
The Geo Solo PV looks fine (but expensive) but this is only monitioring energy coming in. I could cope with that, especially as it must be dead accurate as it uses the LED light on the generation meter and am prepared to buy one if there is nothing else. But the idea of the Wattson Solar plus is better with it monitoring both energy in and out - however, surely using clamps is going to be intrinsically inaccurate? Our domestic meter is new and also has a LED. Surely the logical thing would be for the IDEA of the Wattson but both monitor cables, incoming and outgoing, monitoring the relevant LED lights rather than clamps? Are there any such monitors around? Will there be?

It's sort of what I do. I have two EnviRs and each has an Optismart . One connects to the domestic meter and the other connects to the pv meter. I could get by with a single EnviR but having two means that I can instantly see the state of the whole system. Even so, the same limitations apply as I stated above.
 
Thanks so much for this. I have done some web browsing and it looks like your solution is exactly what I was looking for with an unexpected added bonus of anytime Net access. THAT will impress! Amazing how much time you can save when discussing things with people who actually know!
 
Hi, another DIY piggybacker here. We have a domestic PV system using a SolarMax invertor installed in the loft. I'm looking at ways to monitor my generation and was interested to read about the i-phone app. Is it possibly to connect with the invertor using my home computer (wireless/ethernet/bluetooth) in order to obtain information about my on the spot generation and daily figures etc
 
Hi Kadley - you can direct connect your PC to the inverter via ethernet cable. Then just download free software from solarmax web page, and away you go. Only catch is you need a hard wire for this between inverter and PC. To use their app, you can connect the inverter to either your broadband router, or buy a cheap wireless router and put it in the loft. This will then broadcast a local wireless signal that your iphone or ipad can pick up.

Both options are free (apart from cable or router costs) Your install company should be able to advise you on how to do this, or SolarMax have a helpline that end users (public) can call. Have a look on their web site for details.
 
Hi Kadley - you can direct connect your PC to the inverter via ethernet cable. Only catch is you need a hard wire for this between inverter and PC. To use their app, you can connect the inverter to either your broadband router, or buy a cheap wireless router and put it in the loft.

This could have been designed for the job and is less than £20:
TP-Link TL-WA500G eXtended Range Wireless Access Point w/ Passive PoE Support

Worked for me straight out of the box, and as you can see from the web page it has a number of other uses. I have mounted mine right next to the inverter and I was pleasantly surprised not to get any EMC problems.
 
It's sort of what I do. I have two EnviRs and each has an Optismart . One connects to the domestic meter and the other connects to the pv meter. I could get by with a single EnviR but having two means that I can instantly see the state of the whole system. Even so, the same limitations apply as I stated above.

Curious as to what software you're using to upload data to the Internet and then view it?
 
Consumers with Transformerless SMA inverters i.e SMA 3000TL can monitor and upload data to PVOutput using bluetooth enabled Linux PC's.

NB: Once SMA-Bluetooth is installed enter the command line command:

cd sma-bluetooth-0.17

to go to SMA-Bluetooths program folder location.

Then enter the command:

./smatool --test

You will then see data from the inverter in 5 minute intervals detailing the output of your solar system.

Data can be extracted from SMA solar invertors and stored in mysql databases and csv files.

This data can be uploaded automatically to PVOutput to display real time output of your system for free.

Hope this information is of some use to any Linux PC users out there.

Installation Debian / Ubuntu Via The Command Line (Konsole)
Pre-requisites Build environment, mysql-server, libbluetooth-dev, libmysqlclient-dev, curl, libcurl3-dev, source code for sma-bluetooth

sudo apt-get install build-essential mysql-server libbluetooth-dev libmysqlclient-dev curl libcurl3-dev

Obtain sma-bluetooth wget http://sma-bluetooth.googlecode.com/files/sma-bluetooth-0.12.test.tgz OR apt-get install mercurial && hg clone https://sma-bluetooth.googlecode.com/hg/ sma-bluetooth

Uncompress tar archive {{{tar zxvf sma-bluetooth-0.12.test.tgz cd sma-bluetooth}}}
Compile sma-bluetooth gcc -lbluetooth -lcurl -lmysqlclient -g -o smatool smatool.c (there is currently no configure step)
Use hcitool scan to locate the inverter bluetooth address
Open smatool.conf.new with a text editor Edit this following the instructions within and save as smatool.conf
Run smatool -v If you get bluetooth signal strength only the password is incorrect. (Mine took about 5 save and run cycles before it worked)
Now edit smatoool.conf to add your mysql admin name and password Run smatool -H localhost -D smatool --INSTALL
Add your smatool user to mysql mysql -h localhost -u admin -p mysql > GRANT select,update,delete,insert ON ‘smatool’ TO ‘smatool'@'localhost’ IDENTIFIED BY ‘secret’; Ctrl-D exits
Edit smatool.conf Change your mysql username and password, add in your latitude and longitude.
Run smatool again and your database should now fill.
Running from cron This requires changing the location of smatool.conf in the config file, but doing this didn’t alter anything, nor did specifying the config file on the command line, so a shell script was written
smatool_run
{{{#!/bin/bash
cd /home/user/sma-bluetooth
./smatool}}}
run each 5 minutess from cron using this line in a crontab 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /home/user/smatool_run
Graphing with rrdtool and cacti to Upload data to PVoutput.org
 
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Curious as to what software you're using to upload data to the Internet and then view it?

I just use the stuff that CurrentCost sell with the EnviR. I tried to use Pachube and then on to pv.org but wasn't very successful.
 
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I'm confused I looked at Current Cost and it said you shouldn't use Optismart with microgeneration ...

I'm looking for a cheaper alternative to the inverter monitors but I'm not impressed with Wattson, their customer service is abysmal and I haven't had a monitor yet that works properly. The Geo is an option but I don't have time to go back and sort problems out when they are first set up.

I'm starting to think that inverter monitors, although extortionately expensive are a better use of my time.
 
Thanks Vegelen. This could be very useful.

I currently use a Windows XP desktop to download data to my PC and upload to PVoutput.org fairly successfully (SB SMA4000TL - bluetooth builtin) Ironically though my desktop PC is an old XP era machine and not very power efficient and so I don't leave it on all day to do the regular uploads, generally once at the end of the day ... However I do have an Acer Aspire One SSD notebook (currently with Fedora 16 but previously with Ubuntu) that is a lot more efficient and I could afford to have running continuously without feeling like I was defeating the object! You have just given me a new project. LOL
 
I'm confused I looked at Current Cost and it said you shouldn't use Optismart with microgeneration ...

I'm looking for a cheaper alternative to the inverter monitors but I'm not impressed with Wattson, their customer service is abysmal and I haven't had a monitor yet that works properly. The Geo is an option but I don't have time to go back and sort problems out when they are first set up.

I'm starting to think that inverter monitors, although extortionately expensive are a better use of my time.


One of the issues is the fact that, certainly on my meter, when I am net exporting, the meter led turns solid green. At best the Optismart interprets this as zero power and at worst seems to think that there is a small consumption of power.

I have been keeping a tally of the Optismart/Envir against the PV meter over the past three weeks or so. I have a couple of OS's, one on the PV and one on the incoming meter. The OS on the PV box is within a couple of percent of what the PV reads. This is far better than a current clamp and is only slightly bettered by the Enecsys monitor on a very sunny day. On a cloudy or a day of rain, the Enecsys is hopelessly out.
 
I'm confused I looked at Current Cost and it said you shouldn't use Optismart with microgeneration ...

I'm looking for a cheaper alternative to the inverter monitors but I'm not impressed with Wattson, their customer service is abysmal and I haven't had a monitor yet that works properly. The Geo is an option but I don't have time to go back and sort problems out when they are first set up.

I'm starting to think that inverter monitors, although extortionately expensive are a better use of my time.

Seems to work for me with the Optismart on the generation meter LED and trying nothing more clever than "total solar energy generated." There is no way that the meter could tell the difference between the solar generation and the domestic usage - it is all blinks per kwH. One minor problem that I will perhaps tweak some time is that the EnviR calculated "cost" (but actually "income" in this case) does not go up as far as the 43.3p that I could potentially get with the UK feed-in tariff. I just have to be content for the time being with just the calculaton of the energy input. The domestic meter Optismart of course just shows zero even when there is a net export going on but I can live with that. For now. I never intended to get as involved as this anyway but it just sort of grabs you.
 
The only thing you could do is add a clamp input on the mains feed to the import meter. You would be at the mercy of the accuracy of a clamp sensor but you could then differentiate between import and export.

When the import meter sensor reading is zero house consumption = generation meter - clamp (i.e. you're exporting)
when the import meter is not zero then house consumption = clamp + generation meter

You would need more smarts than the EnviR has to put the picture together - a PC reading the EnviR data stream could do this though.
 
The only thing you could do is add a clamp input on the mains feed to the import meter. You would be at the mercy of the accuracy of a clamp sensor but you could then differentiate between import and export.

When the import meter sensor reading is zero house consumption = generation meter - clamp (i.e. you're exporting)
when the import meter is not zero then house consumption = clamp + generation meter

You would need more smarts than the EnviR has to put the picture together - a PC reading the EnviR data stream could do this though.
Yes, you are right and I have just received a free British Gas meter with clamp that I was wondering what to do with - so far I have put it on the equivalent of the meter LEDs and it served to show me how widely inaccurate they are compared with the LED/ optismart. But a third meter? I quite like the kitchen beginning to look like an aircraft flightdeck but my wife is looking a bit askance .....
 
One enviR can handle all 3 sensors but the display can only display one at a time. So you would constantly be fiddling with the display which your wife may find equally exasperating. :)

and one minor correction to what I said above: when the import meter is not zero then house consumption = import meter + generation meter (this will be a more accurate reading)
 

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