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In this country we have somehow created the new trade of 'Domestic electrician' for which the only qualification you need is to be able to install things on a wooden wall and then pass a multiple guess exam. I have had two of these qualified domestic electricians ask to come out to work with me, and I said yes as I have no problem with people wanting to learn.

They do seem to have a good knowledge of the regulations, good enough to be able to point out how wrong I am in all those situations where the physical restrictions of the real world prevent absolute unthinking compliance with the regulations.

But sadly they can't strip cable for toffee, have no idea how to fault find, get totally confused when presented with a 2 way wired in conduit, don't do terminal screws up tight enough, don't know how to drill through a wall without creating a massive crater the other side, can't clip a cable straight, don't know which way round to put the blade in a hacksaw, don't understand the basics of operating a tester, can't identify anything that needs main bonding unless its a water or gas pipe.

But it's ok, they're qualified domestic electricians, why would they need to know this stuff?
 
A good way in for me, was to do agency work. Register with all agencies and get a cscs card. Mate work is available which is invaluable experience. You have to wing it. 2394/2395 is now essential to gain. Its tough out there. Plenty of people I completed city and guilds with struggling to get a footing.
 
I agree 100% , but again these things will come with experience , which we all started without but gained over time , and still continue to do , day in day out.
 
xavierpj said
A good way in for me, was to do agency work. Register with all agencies and get a cscs card. Mate work is available which is invaluable experience. You have to wing it. 2394/2395 is now essential to gain. Its tough out there. Plenty of people I completed city and guilds with struggling to get a footing.

I'm pleased that this worked for you. Based on my own recent experience, it's not a road that I can recommend to the Original Poster. All the agencies that I've tried, are looking for experienced people. This is because their clients are looking for experienced people. I'm guessing that the clients know that there are sufficient experienced people out there, that they don't need to take on somebody who has no relevant experience. The agencies always ask for at least one (possibly two) relevant work references.

Cheers,

Jez Wilkins
 
Hi thorpy
I was made redundant in 2005 as an Electrician in a factory have had no experiance in the Domestic side which is very differant to what i was used to so did exactly what you have done and went and worked for a fairly large company for 2 months at my own cost they payed me no wages but the experiance was next to non great guy I worked with. I was 61yrs when I was made redundant and I managed to live on my redundacy pay for 2 months. Now if you can do the same and your finances can manage it,, have a look round your local area someone I am sure will take you on. Buy the way we have been in business for 7 yrs now and doing ok Try and get your PAT Testing off the ground in the mean time go round and talk to people they appreciate that more than sending text or e-mails they just go in the bin.
So go for it and all the best
Regards Pete
 
Have you thought of joining a electrical body and going it alone? Small steps small jobs and build up from there.
 
Wannabe electrician ?? I've been a spark since I left school at 16 and I am now 31 , work offshore and have been lucky enough to work all over the world , you do realise your reply does nothing to dispell my original reply and only confirms it. It's just seems to me that this is may be an English problem with you guys having things like Part P ?? I have no idea what Part P is btw. I shall reiterate for the sake of confusion , if someone wants to become a spark at 16,26,36,46 whatever as long as they are willing to learn , graft etc etc then good luck to them and all the best I have no problem with that , I learn every day myself and have been doing this since I was 16 and know nothing else , everydays a school
Day as they say , . .

Glad to hear it, but whether you're a time served Spark or not, how the hell can you condone anyone having the absolute minimum of training, with totally inadequate experience, being able to legally go into unsuspecting people's homes to carry out electrical work is totally beyond me. The main reason these wannabe's have gone down the fast track course (back door) route is because they do NOT want to, or CAN'T put in the required time and/or effort into becoming a qualified electrician. As far as i'm concerned, they and certainly any potential customers are far better off if they choose another trade or profession, one that doesn't put life and/or property at risk.

Few to none of these guy's can actually get an electrician's job out there in the real world, as they just don't possess the required qualifications and in all too many cases, have zero work experience either, having spent the majority of their life in an office or stacking shelves at Tesco's and the like. After 17 days/30 days at a training centre they virtually all go and get Part Pee registration from these parasitic organisations that were actually put in place to ''STOP'' incompetence in the domestic sector and become self employed DI sole traders.

For anyone to see that fully qualified and experienced electricians have a problem coming to terms with these wannabe's flooding the self employed workplace and then being labelled as ''Arrogant'' and ''Delusional Aholes'' has to be the real Ahole's here!! Probably why the UK's electrical industry has been dragged down to the level it's at now...

Anyone that wants to be an electrician needs (like yourself and every other qualified electrician) to obtain a core electrical qualification in your case it was probably C&G 2330 2/3, ...in mine and many other cases of older electrician C&G 2360 B/C, (among many others) Along with the experience of working alongside fully qualified and able mentors. If these wannabe's are prepared to gain the correct qualifications and experience then fine, if they are not, they need to be kicked into touch, they are no good to man nor beast in this industry!!
 
Go to the NIC website and search on your postcode for the contact details of local registered electricians/companies. I am sure that you will find somebody who could do with an extra pair of hands! It was a few years ago but I retrained and went down the same route - all qualification and no site experience. I was lucky to land a permanent job quickly despite my lack of work experience but things are different now so I would accept any offer of unpaid work just to build up the scope of your abilities. Best wishes for the future.
 
I agree with you totally, and again if they're willing to put in the graft and get the experience then good on them , if not then so be it. I have (thankfully) never worked domestically but my own experience of being a spark , is that I have found about 50% of them to be arrogant , that's all ! If that offends you because your a fellow spark then that's your problem , I,m just giving my opinion same as you
 
Get some work in the general building trade, see how buildings are cobbled together this will give you some idea whilst your looking for spark work. Pat testing is for girls forget it
 
applemac said
Get some work in the general building trade, see how buildings are cobbled together this will give you some idea whilst your looking for spark work. Pat testing is for girls forget it

If you're searching in the 'advertised market' (i.e. websites and agencies) then you will need previous experience and references - even for labouring type jobs. The gov.uk/direct.gov.uk website has examples of this, pretty well every day. I'm pretty sure that other websites will be the same. I accept that 'word of mouth/the unadvertised job market' may well be different - but you need to have, or be able to generate, the contacts. Generating the contacts is a soul-destroying task - ask me how I know. :smiley2:

Cheers,

Jez Wilkins
 
applemac said

If you're searching in the 'advertised market' (i.e. websites and agencies) then you will need previous experience and references - even for labouring type jobs. The gov.uk/direct.gov.uk website has examples of this, pretty well every day. I'm pretty sure that other websites will be the same. I accept that 'word of mouth/the unadvertised job market' may well be different - but you need to have, or be able to generate, the contacts. Generating the contacts is a soul-destroying task - ask me how I know. :smiley2:

Cheers,

Jez Wilkins

How do you know?
 
Get some work in the general building trade, see how buildings are cobbled together this will give you some idea whilst your looking for spark work. Pat testing is for girls forget it

Agreed. The experience of general building work is worth more than any quick course.

Don't be disheartened by the people who rave on about how an apprenticeship is essential. I didn't do one...
 
How do you know?

You forgot the smiley face, Murdoch. :smiley2:

According to my records, I started 'cold/speculative telephone calling' on 3 August 2012, using details for 'Electricians & Electrical Contractors' [taken from the 'Yell.com' website] and for 'Electricians' [taken from the 'Trusted Trader' section of Derbyshire County Council's website]. Then moved on to further contacts, provided by the initial contacts. Then to the 'Yell.com' lists for 'Electrical Supplies' and 'Electrical Factors'. Something over 200 'companies' contacted, in total. Closest I got to a job was a company that said that they were willing to provide me with some unpaid work experience, but there were issues, so far as Jobcentreplus was concerned, regarding insurance. [I learned later, even if this hurdle had been overcome, my Work Programme provider would not have let me undertake the work experience, unless the company concerned had first been vetted by them, for Health & Safety'.] This for work experience in respect of a job that was to commence the day after the company contacted me (although it was accepted by the company concerned that my commencing a further day later was probably more realistic).

Bit of an aside, but, since around the New Year 2012, the proportion of my time spent looking for electrical work has decreased and that looking for administrative work has increased [this against a background of (i) pressure from my Work Programme provider, who stated, at the outset, that I should 'forget' the electrical qualifications that it had taken me three years to obtain and concentrate on administrative type work and (ii) Jobseeker's Allowance that is {despite our fairly modest fixed monthly outgoings} around seventy-fifty quid shy of said outgoings]. I'm pretty much at the stage of drinking in 'the last chance saloon', so far as job-seeking in the electrical industry is concerned - my post in the 'Jobs in Your Area' section of the Forum is something of a 'death throe'. I'm very much at the stage where I feel that I've probably given it a fair shot and, when all's said and done, you can only bang your head against a brick wall for so long, before you decide that you want it (your head) to stop hurting.

Not looking for sympathy (as I am a big boy now) just posting my experiences, hopefully for the benefit of others. My research beforehand did not show it up (maybe my research was cr**p, but my father-in-law passed away at around the same time that I was made redundant and my then employer needed a timely decision, as regards the provision of funds for any retraining) but, had I known then, what I know now, I'm pretty sure that I would just have 'salted away' my redundancy money and gone straight for another administrative type job.

Sorry to thorpy [the O/P] for going even further off topic, but it does make me wonder if a college should ever even have considered taking on somebody like me? That is to say, 49 years old, when first enrolled, having spent twenty-four years, in two employments (first one, eight years, second one sixteen years), before being made redundant from a public sector 'job for life' [a joke, since our office went from being 'safe' to 'closed', in only ten months]. The reality is that the colleges are probably mostly bothered about filling their courses, to get their fee income and Government funding. In any event, what am I (and all the others - up to 740,000, if I've remembered George Osborne's latest estimate correctly) supposed to do? David Cameron's idea is that the 'private sector' expands, to take up the slack.

Think that I'm correct in my recollection that DC is also on record as stating that people have to get used to the idea of retraining two/three times, during their working life? What, however, is the point of retraining, if you (i) are unable to get a job in your newly chosen career, as you do not have any relevant experience and (ii) you are unable to get any relevant experience in your newly chosen career, as the 'private sector' has not expanded enough to be able to employ all the people that already have relevant experience, let alone employ those that don't. And, all the while, the Government of the day is quite successfully convincing the 'person on the Clapham Omnibus', that everybody not in work/or in receipt of state benefits, is a lazy scumbag.

I feel much better for that. :smiley2:

Cheers,

Jez Wilkins
 
You forgot the smiley face, Murdoch. :smiley2:

According to my records, I started 'cold/speculative telephone calling' on 3 August 2012, using details for 'Electricians & Electrical Contractors' [taken from the 'Yell.com' website] and for 'Electricians' [taken from the 'Trusted Trader' section of Derbyshire County Council's website]. Then moved on to further contacts, provided by the initial contacts. Then to the 'Yell.com' lists for 'Electrical Supplies' and 'Electrical Factors'. Something over 200 'companies' contacted, in total. Closest I got to a job was a company that said that they were willing to provide me with some unpaid work experience, but there were issues, so far as Jobcentreplus was concerned, regarding insurance. [I learned later, even if this hurdle had been overcome, my Work Programme provider would not have let me undertake the work experience, unless the company concerned had first been vetted by them, for Health & Safety'.] This for work experience in respect of a job that was to commence the day after the company contacted me (although it was accepted by the company concerned that my commencing a further day later was probably more realistic).

Bit of an aside, but, since around the New Year 2012, the proportion of my time spent looking for electrical work has decreased and that looking for administrative work has increased [this against a background of (i) pressure from my Work Programme provider, who stated, at the outset, that I should 'forget' the electrical qualifications that it had taken me three years to obtain and concentrate on administrative type work and (ii) Jobseeker's Allowance that is {despite our fairly modest fixed monthly outgoings} around seventy-fifty quid shy of said outgoings]. I'm pretty much at the stage of drinking in 'the last chance saloon', so far as job-seeking in the electrical industry is concerned - my post in the 'Jobs in Your Area' section of the Forum is something of a 'death throe'. I'm very much at the stage where I feel that I've probably given it a fair shot and, when all's said and done, you can only bang your head against a brick wall for so long, before you decide that you want it (your head) to stop hurting.


I feel much better for that. :smiley2:

Cheers,

Jez Wilkins


All the wannabe newbies should be guided to this post and take on board your experiences outlined in the first paragraph!!!

:wink5:
 

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