Qualifications to become a proper electrician?!

[Boner]

Guys, I'm currently a lowly domestic installer, but would like to get my qualifications to become a proper electrician!!!
PLEASE don't shoot me, but what courses/qualifications do I need to have to play with commercial/industrial stuff?
Cheers - Boner.

 

[johnboy6083]

a level 3 electical theory qualification, and an NVQ3. this will get you graded by the JIB, which 90% of employers ask for on commercial and industrial sites. Self employed, absolutely nothing, but you do have to be competent. this is very hard to prove without qualifications, and in the event of an accident or fire, you would be between a rock and a hard place!

 

[Boner]

mmmm - I am self employed, but was kind of under the assumption that I would need to have some city & guilds qualification to do inspection & testing on three phase stuff. Either way, does anyone know of any courses out there that would aid me to get a bit of knowledge etc?
Cheers - Boner.

 

[johnboy6083]

C&G 2330 for the theory, and 2391 for testing

 

[J@mes]

I'm glad someone else has realised that domestics is merely DIY at that commercial/ industrial is proper electricians work!!



















*ducks*

 

[Des 56]

I'm glad someone else has realised that domestics is merely DIY at that commercial/ industrial is proper electricians work!!


*ducks*

I stopped being a proper electrician in the last few years if thats the case
I'm winding down now but I like dawdling along with Diy electrics

and the lord said "In my house there are many mantions"

Define proper electrician please

 

[millwall ken]

I stopped being a proper electrician in the last few years if thats the case
I'm winding down now but I like dawdling along with Diy electrics

and the lord said "In my house there are many mantions"

Define proper electrician please

Des, I don't think that the fella mean't any offence. You are too long in the tooth mate to be insulted by an innocent comment. That was clearly stating the difference between a fully qualified commercial spark and a five day domestic course 'spark.'

 

[IQ Electrical]

I stopped being a proper electrician in the last few years if thats the case
I'm winding down now but I like dawdling along with Diy electrics

and the lord said "In my house there are many mantions"

Define proper electrician please

As you know Des, there is no concrete definition but our policy is a JIB approved grade before you get a sniff at an interview.

It doesn't always work out but combined with a brief test at interview, it helps us keep standards up and prove that we are using competent labour.

As always, there are exceptions to the rule!

 

[Sparky Ninja]

As you know Des, there is no concrete definition but our policy is a JIB approved grade before you get a sniff at an interview.

It doesn't always work out but combined with a brief test at interview, it helps us keep standards up and prove that we are using competent labour.

As always, there are exceptions to the rule!

This is interesting as I'm seeking employment and am not JIB graded.. wonder how many other potential employers wouldn't give me the light of day

 

[Des 56]

I'm not insulted ken
I just happened to be of an age when an electrician was the full works ( maybe a good thing,maybe not)

Domestic wiring was a very limited and relatively new add on for the spark, who was expected to do whatever was in front of him

In the last few years we have had a sectionalising of the electrical trade,with the domestic sector sliced away and taught as a seperate creature
I dont particularly like that change and dont see any reason why a spark should not be capable of performing in whatever sector he ends up with.


To describe a commercial spark as a proper spark takes away from the trade the all round competence that should be shown by all electricians wherever they perform

 

[IQ Electrical]

This is interesting as I'm seeking employment and am not JIB graded.. wonder how many other potential employers wouldn't give me the light of day

Might you not fit with my last sentence?

The problem is, it's an employers market, there are JIB approved electricians with 2391-10 readily available, that grade SHOULD prove competence, but like I said, there are exceptions both ways!

 

[Des 56]

I must agree with the JIB grading
It is a pity it didn't become the total bees knees all encompassing structure in the electrical industry

I have had experience on things that some of the younger sparks may not have even heard of maybe
I have worked in all sectors but dont have a card.( I have no need )
I do however believe it is the best system we have, and would expect an employer to be less than willing to consider someone without a card as someone who holds that card

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Might you not fit with my last sentence?

The problem is, it's an employers market, there are JIB approved electricians with 2391-10 readily available, that grade SHOULD prove competence, but like I said, there are exceptions both ways!

Yeah and I appreciate that. Unfortunately not all employers are on this forum

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I must agree with the JIB grading
It is a pity it didn't become the total bees knees all encompassing structure in the electrical industry

I have had experience on things that some of the younger sparks may not have even heard of maybe
I have worked in all sectors but dont have a card.( I have no need )
I do however believe it is the best system we have, and would expect an employer to be less than willing to consider someone without a card as someone who holds that card

I'm kinda between a rock and a hard place at the moment.
I'm teaching sessionally, which some like the appeal of.
However I don't have any recent referee's as I've been self employed for the past few years.
I'm still registered with the NICEIC as a QS, and have done quite a few consultations for them however I cannot use it for referral.

I'm being told that I am either over qualified or not JIB registered.

I've resorted to taking the TMIET off of my CV but I might be forced to take the teaching off there too..

 

[IQ Electrical]

I'm kinda between a rock and a hard place at the moment.
I'm teaching sessionally, which some like the appeal of.
However I don't have any recent referee's as I've been self employed for the past few years.
I'm still registered with the NICEIC as a QS, and have done quite a few consultations for them however I cannot use it for referral.

I'm being told that I am either over qualified or not JIB registered.

I've resorted to taking the TMIET off of my CV but I might be forced to take the teaching off there too..

And that's exactly the exception that I was referring to, TMIET, NICEIC QS, etc etc.

That's the flaw in the system but as an employer, you often have to make a policy that works for the vast majority of cases.

I'd bet you could blast through an interview with your CV and the offer of a brief trial period.