A friend of mine has just rang me and asked if someone has the 16th Edition Regs qualification but not the 17th Edition Regs qualification and they do not have the 2391 or 2395/6 should they be working on electrical installs and signing jobs off? I have told him that he needs the 17th Edition Regs no matter what and preferably the 2395/6 qualification to be doing electrical installs and signing them off. What's other people's take on this?
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matthunt
Definitely need 17thfor my 2 penny's worth, if they have the old 2400 then that would also suffice instead of the 2391 as the testing was covered in that as well
Owning a copy of and understanding the requirements of the latest version of the regulations is far more important than a multiple guess exam pass.
Any electrician who has undergone a proper training should be capable of testing and certificating their own work. The 2391 or 2394/5 is worthy professional development, but a proper electrician without those qualifications should certainly be expected to be able to test adequately.
Any electrician who has undergone a proper training should be capable of testing and certificating their own work. The 2391 or 2394/5 is worthy professional development, but a proper electrician without those qualifications should certainly be expected to be able to test adequately.
I have no qualms, I'm not with a scam, and I call myself a spark.
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davesparks
If they served their apprenticeship under a previous edition of the regulations and have kept up to date with the new edition and amendments then there is no reason they shouldn't be working as an electrician.
I served my apprenticeship under the 16th and the 17th came out not long after I completed. I did the 17th edition course then but haven't done anything since, and the current amendment has quite a lot of differences to the original
I served my apprenticeship under the 16th and the 17th came out not long after I completed. I did the 17th edition course then but haven't done anything since, and the current amendment has quite a lot of differences to the original
I suppose the question has to be does not having the 17th edition stop you from reading and understanding the regs and acting on them in a professional manner, the proliferation of meaningless courses is what is swamping this industry with under qualified operatives. The training companies out there have given people the impression that the only qualification needed to be "qualified" is a 17th edition cert when those with many years in the industry know this is far from the truth.
So I suppose if you want proof that somebody can get the right number answers to achieve a pass then yes you would need a 17th edition cert but IMO you don't have to read the 17th ed regs to do it so what does it prove
So I suppose if you want proof that somebody can get the right number answers to achieve a pass then yes you would need a 17th edition cert but IMO you don't have to read the 17th ed regs to do it so what does it prove
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DuaneMHunt1976
and what Carboot sale did you buy that off.. i did think Blue Peter had stands you know
"A friend of mine has just rang me and asked if someone has the 16th Edition Regs qualification but not the 17th Edition Regs qualification and they do not have the 2391 or 2395/6 should they be working on electrical installs and signing jobs off? I have told him that he needs the 17th Edition Regs no matter what and preferably the 2395/6 qualification to be doing electrical installs and signing them off. What's other people's take on this?"
I think they should have 17th Edition at least, keep up to date with any changes made, with Editions and AMD.
As for the 2391/4+5 a lot of courses have the Testing (what is done in Level 3 Electrical Installations courses) dose the testing as you would do in the 2394/5. But to sign off your own work, being a apart of one of the governing bodies and they say YES can do it, and with or without the 2391/4+5.
I think all they need is 17th Edition and Part P course or 2397 and they can go ahead and sign up for a Governing body. To do Minor work and be under the radar, mm well i guess thats a different matter
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uksparks
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So if you have no electrical qualifications, what have you got?
Where do I say I have no electrical qualifications?
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davesparks
That's a bit of a wild assumption isn't it? The bloke takes the pee out of a spelling mistake and you accuse him of having no qualifications
He didn't say he had no quals he said he had no qualms
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DuaneMHunt1976
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Competent to me always sounds like your at DIY level, I have never liked the term competent as it gives no merit or value to proper training
Whatever term that is used some one will reduce it's value the regs have changed to use the term skilled but no doubt that term will be meaning less in a year or two
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