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[dansk]

God i have to admit i bored stupid with REAL breathing down our necks about selling this and selling that FFS - why dont they put as much effort into educating the public as they do screaming at us. :furious3:

 

[Somecamel]

God i have to admit i bored stupid with REAL breathing down our necks about selling this and selling that FFS - why dont they put as much effort into educating the public as they do screaming at us. :furious3:

This is for Solar Thermal but point made none the less-

Solar companies suspended - February - 2011 - Which? News

I hear it was a case of how much they paid in 'compensation' that got them allowed back in.

 

[dansk]

Im just having a moan, but its the whole thing im fed up with it TBH, all real seem to do is bark and not bite, although as above has showed something gets done, not without Which intervening. What a Royal F-UP the whole thing.

 

[yellowvanman]

I thought Everest had been suspended before! Repeat offender!

 

[finchy]

Makes me so angry these crocks can join REAL! They need to get there act together ! The directors or associates should be struck off for life!!! :furious3:

 

[moggy1968]

I've heard of loads of companies trying to force people into signing up, and quoting more than double what we would for the same size system.

 

[dansk]

It the attitude of the emails that REAL send out that gets me, i run my own business and i dont need talking down to like that from some scheme operator, "you do not do this", "you will do that" were not kids anymore! Yes some companies need telling, so why dont they address them directly?

Wjy dont they do news at 6 and tell the nation that solar is good and people dont be suduced by 43p, wouldnt that be more effective? instead of screaming emails to installers.

 

[MCS Renewables]

We are governed by the laws of the land.

The government acted unlawfully with the initial 12 th December date.

After the third of March the rate legally drops to 21p.

Therefore the situation as it currently stands is the rate is 43p for all jobs up to March 3rd for 25 years. The government MAY try to get the unlawful ruling overturned on appeal however I see no problem selling at 43p provided you make clear to the customer the possibility of the 21p rate if the government appeal is upheld.

Lets be honest the real scammers will not care about any letter from REAL, they will get as many overpriced installations chucked up in the next few weeks and disappear from the industry anyway when the market shrinks in April.

Solartricity- was Ideal Solar- National rip off merchants are allready out of REAL and still have fleets of salesmen but ensure the subby fitters are MCS. They have completely wrong footed Real. They now operate a sales policy which is unpoliced and outside the system.

The entire MCS and REAL system needs a massive rethink, my biggest local competitors are a conservatory company, an aerial fitter and ex estate agents. All of them are using subbies and career change chancers . Its out of hand and beyond a joke. In a recent R2 magazine a feature was done of a Christchurch factory worker who did a one week electricians Part P course and a three day PV course and is now an MCS approved installer.

 

[Olias]

MCS001:

"A contract for the sale and installation of a system shall be entered into only between an MCS certified (sic) Company and a Customer"

"If the MCS certified (sic) Company obtains sales leads from any third party, the Company must require that the third party complies with all the relevant requirements of the MCS standards and Consumer Code. The Company will be responsible for any non-compliance"

If this isn't happening report them to their Certification Body.

 

[moggy1968]

and they will do........................

does anyone know how many companies have actually been removed from the MCS register?

 

[MCS Renewables]

Heres a link to some :-

Non Compliance Activity In 2010 - News - REAL Assurance Scheme

 

[Earthstore]

22 companies had their membership of the Scheme terminated for non-payment of their 2010 membership fees. (Some of these companies may no longer be trading.) They were:

Just copied this from REAL, well that just about say's it all..
Maybe these companies did not want anymore more to do with the PV industry, because of the way we are all treated.
Maybe it would give us a little inspiration if that list was of companies that were terminated from the scheme for poor installations, or conning customers with £500 up front fees for example, no, just that they had not paid.
I am sure that it has crossed every-bodies mind to pack it all in and do something else, but, we stay with it, with all the frustrations, because we believe there is a future in this Industry, and we have invested both time and money to get where we are.(wherever that might be).

Roll on Feb 9th...

 

[danesol]

Do you have to be affiliated to them as that wasnt a strong selling point to me, been a member of REAL ??