Regulation of industry

[JOHN-THE-SPARKY]

When will the electrical industry become completely regulated so only those trained and competent and up to date with current required qualifications can work on electricity, as to many bob the builders going to b n q getting all there vde rated tools than advertising at checkatrade or yell as the local spark with no liability insurance or underpinning knowledge on how to work safely

 

[Mikegh]

Legal action against the unregulated tradesman

Certification of the electrical installation being tied into other areas like mortgage and house insurance, house sale, council etc etc

Either target the tradesman or shift the onus onto the customer

 

[sparksfly]

Well you only have to look at Part P. Schemes will happily take your money and tick boxes. Yet I witness kitchen companies, sub contracting out to persons who were asking for advice on the latest Regs. No doubt, no testing was performed after extra sockets etc. New builds are exempt from part P, yet we are crippled with paperwork. What are the schemes doing about it ? .....Self promotion. Maybe have a central trades licence/body only. Sell certain items to licence/approved trades thus removing some of the issues at source. At the mo it is impossible to police. Im with you guys... regulate it. BS7671 statutory but less bloated...1st edition anyone?

 

[SJD]

Despite the variable standard of rental EICRs we've seen on here recently, I'd say the recent regulations requiring one have improved the safety of rental properties in general - and in quite a few I've done, the landlord has become aware of previous work done badly. If you required an EICR e.g. for a house sale or mortgage, over time you'd flag up a lot of unsafe work, and owners would start to realise it was better to have work done properly in the first place.

 

[Dustydazzler]

You will never completey elimiNate poor electrical work nor will you stop plumber , builder and even diyers from wiring their own projects

what is needed is some sort of 3rd party certification scheme where by a builder or diyer can have their work checked and then signed off once it meets the basic requirements

stopping B&Q selling consumer units won’t make any difference either

 

[Pretty Mouth]

No more regulation please. It will create more expensive BS to navigate for those that care, and will be ignored by those that don't.

 

[UNG]

Legal action against the unregulated tradesman

Certification of the electrical installation being tied into other areas like mortgage and house insurance, house sale, council etc etc

Either target the tradesman or shift the onus onto the customer

There are plenty of people doing electrical work who are regulated by schemes that will never make the grade yet the scams give them some credibility to mislead the customer
And there are plenty of unregulated electricians that can do a better job but can't lower their standards to join a scam
Can never understand why UKAS has never clamped down on some of the scams practices and removed their accreditation to run a competent persons scheme

 

[GBDamo]

All additional regulation seems to achieve is to insert a parasite class between the customer and the service provider.

Same with government grants, all the money is made by those administering the grant/scheme.

Any incentive to the customer is simply loaded onto the cost of the job and hoovered up by the spivs.

Look at EICRs for landlords, the landlord will be paying the going rate then the letting agent takes their 'management fee' and gives the job to the lowest bidder with no concern whatsoever for the quality of job their client gets.

So, a government intervention to improve standards ends up making the situation worse.

 

[telectrix]

a start would be to make it like gas safe...illegal to do any work on electrical installations except by a registered electrician with proven competence. a national database could easily be compiled.

 

[Zerax]

a start would be to make it like gas safe...illegal to do any work on electrical installations except by a registered electrician with proven competence. a national database could easily be compiled.

Yeah... but I've seen some shocking quality gas work by fully paid up Gas Safe plumbers... so not sure that's the answer. It would defo help though.

 

[Zerax]

I think it's fine to leave the scam businesses as they are... BUT... heavily penalise them for any shoddy workmanship done by one of their members. Anyone know how many 'electricians' have their membership cancelled each year ?

 

[telectrix]

I think it's fine to leave the scam businesses as they are... BUT... heavily penalise them for any shoddy workmanship done by one of their members. Anyone know how many 'electricians' have their membership cancelled each year ?

only those whose cheques bounce.

 

[sparksfly]

a start would be to make it like gas safe...illegal to do any work on electrical installations except by a registered electrician with proven competence. a national database could easily be compiled.

I agree...........I remember jumping for joy at the common sense approach when "Electric safe" register was born....it all made sense to joe public...... but then NIC elbowed in and had their register..... Electric safe disappeared.....CPS appeared. No wonder the electrical industry is in disarray...... usually money related.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Too much money to be made out of the CPS , it’s easy money

sod safety , standards and quality its All about the money

show me the money and I will show you a slick run scam

 

[JOHN-THE-SPARKY]

I think it is now time that the competent person scheme is scrapped as it is a money-making profit for an organisation with minimal interest in the industry so complete regulation of industry identical to gas if not up to date with the current qualification that is required by industry you will not be allowed to work on anything to do with electricity