Running of t+e for rings

[J.C.E]

What is the correct way of running your t+e cables for a ring circuit.

I understand the principle of starting at the db take your 2.5 to the 1st socket and loop in and out of each socket then at your last socket return to the db.

But if you were to run that surface say in mt2...you wouldn't do it like that would u! have a bit of mt2 coming out the right of the db for the outgoing and a bit of mt2 going into the db on the left with the return lol!

So my question is how do you actually run the 2x 2.5 t&e TOGETHER in ONE direction

CHEERS

 

[Guest112]

in one direction in a single run of mt2 or even singles in conduit a staggered ring is recommended for further adaption / extension and I prefer them in general

atb

 

[J.C.E]

staggered? explain how to run this please...

 

[KAS1]

This is not a real question is it .......................

 

[KAS1]

db-1-3-5-6-4-2-db any help lol

 

[trev]

Kas, all due respect mate but don't you think he may have learnt slightly different terminology, or maybe is a trainee. It's good to ascertain someone's skill level before beasting them for no reason.

 

[Des 56]

The answer lies with ignorance

Run 2 cables,take one into a socket and let the other ignore that socket
Run the cables to the next and one of the cables ignores that socket
(the cable that ignores the socket matters not)

When you get to the end of the run,terminate them both at that socket

 

[JulianC]

staggered?

Yes, yes I am. :speechless:

 

[kingeri]

If the run (i.e. both legs) is pretty much going in one direction from the CU then the leapfrog/staggered method is preferred as it will avoid all the sockets being on one leg and having a long socket-less return leg. If the layout suits running in a traditional ring, especially in a domestic environment, then that's the usual way to do it. Both are electrically the same.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

What is the correct way of running your t+e cables for a ring circuit.

I understand the principle of starting at the db take your 2.5 to the 1st socket and loop in and out of each socket then at your last socket return to the db.

But if you were to run that surface say in mt2...you wouldn't do it like that would u! have a bit of mt2 coming out the right of the db for the outgoing and a bit of mt2 going into the db on the left with the return lol!

So my question is how do you actually run the 2x 2.5 t&e TOGETHER in ONE direction

CHEERS

MT2 will take 2x2.5mm T/E's...so thats how you run 'em.

 

[Engineer54]

db-1-3-5-6-4-2-db any help lol

Or....

DB - 1 - 3 - 5 - } -6

DB- 2 - 4 - 6 - } - 5

lol!!....

 

[J.C.E]

what i was thinking... lol at you lol and and him lol

 

[Engineer54]

We only use ''staggered'' ring circuits, the load is distributed over the whole circuit and not on one leg , so-to-speak!! No reason why you wouldn't use this system on house ring circuits, if the socket outlet positions warrant it!!....

 

[Guest112]

We only use ''staggered'' ring circuits, the load is distributed over the whole circuit and not on one leg , so-to-speak!! No reason why you wouldn't use this system on house ring circuits, if the socket outlet positions warrant it!!....

I only stagger rings too, I like to think ir makes future adaptions easier,

atb

 

[micknew]

This forum should be called 'The DIY School' lol.

 

[KAS1]

Well I'm staggered Trev "all due respect mate" I thought I gave a good answer, I was hoping he'd work it out.

 

[trev]

Maybe I'm over sensitive just now Kas, if so I apologise but it just seems that there's a lot on here lately that are ready to bite people's heads off for asking a question. I thought maybe you'd jumped on that boat.

 

[Engineer54]

This forum should be called 'The DIY School' lol.

Not on this occasion, there are many a qualified electrician that have never been taught and never heard of ''Staggered'' ring circuits. So i'd consider this is a fair question by the OP!!

 

[Sintra]

Not on this occasion, there are many a qualified electrician that have never been taught and never heard of ''Staggered'' ring circuits. So i'd consider this is a fair question by the OP!!

My son has just qualified after he finished a 4 year apprenticeship in September 2012 and was never taught this method. It all came to light when he was wiring dado trunking and hadn't a clue about running from the DB to the 2 closest sockets and then staggering. I blame the colleges to a degree for the lack of knowledge of the younger crew.

 

[Engineer54]

My son has just qualified after he finished a 4 year apprenticeship in September 2012 and was never taught this method. It all came to light when he was wiring dado trunking and hadn't a clue about running from the DB to the 2 closest sockets and then staggering. I blame the colleges to a degree for the lack of knowledge of the younger crew.

I bet he knows all about staggered rings now!! lol!!

So you have a chip off the old block then, good for him!! My son went for the CIBSE HVAC/Building Services,route but we can still have a bit of a crack on the electrical side of things!! lol!!

 

[trev]

I bet he knows all about staggered rings now!! lol!!

So you have a chip off the old block then, good for him!! My son went for the CIBSE HVAC/Building Services,route but we can still have a bit of a crack on the electrical side of things!! lol!!

My son went into auto electrics, bloody wimp!

 

[Sintra]

I bet he knows all about staggered rings now!! lol!!

So you have a chip off the old block then, good for him!! My son went for the CIBSE HVAC/Building Services,route but we can still have a bit of a crack on the electrical side of things!! lol!!

Yes and he works for the same company as myself although he has never been on any of my jobs (probably for the best lol). Another son starts his apprenticeship with the company this September providing he passes his exams in school.

 

[Adam W]

db-1-3-5-6-4-2-db any help lol

I know what you mean but for some reason I'd only really considered doing that in commercial installs in trunking, mainly singles in dado trunking. If it were all in trunking and going back the same way as it goes in (if you understand what I mean) then that is a good way of doing it, to spread the load and to avoid one bit of cable having to run from the last socket all the way back past the others to the DB.

I'm not sure if that was what the OP was asking, but I can see this thread ending badly...

 

[Geordie Spark]

staggered? explain how to run this please...

Well, first ye drink a crate of Newcassell Broon .................

 

[DNS1]

Nothing to do with the thread but...

how come peterdaniels is back?! Thought he'd been banned permanently!

 

[Geordie Spark]

My son went into auto electrics, bloody wimp!

I wish I had known that when I had problems with the electrics on my MR2. Bloody nightmare it was and never did get properly resolved. I sold the damned thing - complete with its faults.

 

[T&Earth]

Hi Sintra

Could you please explain how you actually install this system, I've never heard of this and would like to know, so I can use it.
Many Thanks
T&E

 

[MDJ]

Kas, all due respect mate but don't you think he may have learnt slightly different terminology, or maybe is a trainee. It's good to ascertain someone's skill level before beasting them for no reason.

totally agree and that was my first thought, then I saw the join date, still it is a possibility.

 

[Engineer54]

Hi Sintra

Could you please explain how you actually install this system, I've never heard of this and would like to know, so I can use it.
Many Thanks
T&E​

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db-1-3-5-6-4-2-db any help lol

Or....

DB - 1 - 3 - 5 - } -6

DB- 2 - 4 - 6 - } - 5

lol!!....

Just follow the wiring methods shown above. Take cable from DB to socket 1 then another cable from DB (the two ends of the ring) to socket 2, from socket 1 cable to socket 3, and from socket 2 to 4and so on. In the case of 6 sockets, socket 5 is connected to socket 6 to complete the ring!! It's very simple really...

 

[JulianC]

how come peterdaniels is back?! Thought he'd been banned permanently!

And that's magic!

Oh, hang on......oops.

 

[Heisenberg]

The answer lies with ignorance

Run 2 cables,take one into a socket and let the other ignore that socket
Run the cables to the next and one of the cables ignores that socket
(the cable that ignores the socket matters not)

When you get to the end of the run,terminate them both at that socket

But surely if you are not sure which cable (leg) is ignoring that socket, you could be putting all the sockets on the same leg? i.e. one of the cables that is terminated at the final socket could have no sockets on it and simply go straight back to the CU.

 

[amlu]

make a rough basic drawing with a plan of the place. mark proposed sockets on it. draw a line connecting them representing your cable.

 

[telectrix]

the easiest way is t run 1 leg in, picking up alternate sockets. then run the 2nd leg back, picking up the ones missed out by the 1st leg.

 

[Guest112]

Nothing to do with the thread but...

how come peterdaniels is back?! Thought he'd been banned permanently!

12 month ban was over mate, why did you miss me?? haha

 

[MDJ]

Who cares anyhow, as long as there are 2 T&Es at every socket and they have continuity and proven to be a ring of somekind and it works :38:

 

[thebigcheese]

In a suitation that required a stagger ring would a 4mm Radial be more appropiate?

 

[Engineer54]

Both types of circuits have there place, you design the installation according to it's needs!!

 

[DNS1]

12 month ban was over mate, why did you miss me?? haha

Blimey, has it been that long?!

 

[T&Earth]

Thanks Engineer54

Now I understand
Much Appreciated
T&E