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SPARTYKUS
... In the real world, no one would pay for something that the calculation of, could not be demonstrated!!! Haha! Thats ridiculous!
... In the real world, no one would pay for something that the calculation of, could not be demonstrated!!! Haha! Thats ridiculous!
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thekingiam
It wasn,t long ago we tried bailing out other countries who couldnt pay have we had that monney back first of all
I believe that was some of the extra borrowing the UK incurred we loaned to Ireland at an agreed interest rate then they renegotiated the interest rate down a while after because they decided it was to high
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Guest111
All the supposed excuses for not finding the illegals makes me laugh,during the war Hitler managed quite easily to round up millions of Jews,and conduct a war against virtually every country in europe.Surely it can't be that hard for us to get our act together and round up the illegals? Don't want to seems more like the real reason.
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trev
Phil to some extent I agree with you but the Borders Agency are short staffed and short funded. Where do you suggest they start?
Sure they'll hit a few and round some up but word soon gets around and they'll start to go to ground. Don't forget, going from a lot of illegals that have been caught they're often kept hidden by people who are using them as slave labour. There was one caught round our way a couple of months ago, he'd been traficced here and put to work in a cannabis farm. He wasn't allowed to leave and once a week people would drop food off for him.
A cop with a good sense of smell was his downfall. He's now back in Vietnam (or he was anyway)
Sure they'll hit a few and round some up but word soon gets around and they'll start to go to ground. Don't forget, going from a lot of illegals that have been caught they're often kept hidden by people who are using them as slave labour. There was one caught round our way a couple of months ago, he'd been traficced here and put to work in a cannabis farm. He wasn't allowed to leave and once a week people would drop food off for him.
A cop with a good sense of smell was his downfall. He's now back in Vietnam (or he was anyway)
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Guest111
That's the problem Trev,the government keeps cutting back then say they can't catch people.It makes you wonder if they're bothered at all.
They could start by stopping all the appeals to every court in the land and those that are not. It's easy for any of these government bodies to say they are short staffed and short funded but are they making the best use of and maximising the resources they have, there is so much waste in a lot of these government dept's and some of the incompetence and lack of communication beggars belief
Seen a few rounded up over the years and you just know that some will get back in without being challenged
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trev
"They could start by stopping all the appeals to every court in the land and those that are not."
Interesting. Everyone is entitled to the protection under the law, that includes the right to appeal to a higher court if a lower one has made an incorrect decision.
Or should we just do away with the tiresome and expensive legal system and lock everyone up who is suspected of a crime?
Maybe this is a subject for another thread though
Interesting. Everyone is entitled to the protection under the law, that includes the right to appeal to a higher court if a lower one has made an incorrect decision.
Or should we just do away with the tiresome and expensive legal system and lock everyone up who is suspected of a crime?
Maybe this is a subject for another thread though
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dingledong
Surely an illegal is not suspected of a crime ,he is doing a crime .you get them ,hold them and within 3 days you deport them .
Now what is hard about that
Now what is hard about that
You or I would probably never get the funding necessary that some seem to get to continue the appeals process they persue they seem to get into a never ending appeals loop that just perpetually goes on and on. I'm all for protection under the law but there has to be a limit
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trev
This mythical "they" which keeps being referred to. If someone is illegal and is caught they are out as soon as their country of origin is established.
The only people who are entitled to the protection of British law, and thus the right to appeal, are British citizens, those granted right of abode or leave to remain. .
I've never seen a case before the Court of Appeal which has involved an illegal.
I'm willing to be corrected though
The only people who are entitled to the protection of British law, and thus the right to appeal, are British citizens, those granted right of abode or leave to remain. .
I've never seen a case before the Court of Appeal which has involved an illegal.
I'm willing to be corrected though
sorry but they should be put on the first boat or whatever out of the country, there is free travel within the eu so get them off the island
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Guest77
There are several Hard right wing enthusiasts here, any debate ends up talking about African asylum seekers, even if we are talking about white women becomming leaders of their parties lmao.
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Guest77
Oh god yeah, several, without a doubt.
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Darkwood
No it hasn't ... we are still paying the 1.7 but due to the delay it has been offset by rebate we were going to get anyway next year.... smoke and mirrors, nothings changed except the dates, they have not made a victory by halving the amount, that was a given anyway. Had we payed 1.7billion on dec 1 then net year we still would have got the 850million rebate, all the goverment has done is use the rebate that was already known to be coming and make it look like a victory for Cam' ..... its treating the public as stupid and tbh most are but it offends me that they think we wouldn't see through it.
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Octopus
Talking of smoke and mirrors - can anyone explain to me how the contributions the countries makes are calculated?
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Darkwood
Net GDP but the EU revised it to include money spent on prostitution and drug....... errmm now can't remember the last time I saw a tax return from a pimp!.. nor how you can calculate it either, a last ditch attemp on the EU's part to milk the cash cow just in case we leave.
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Octopus
I heard it reported that they estimate the "black economy" - how the hell do they do that?
As I previously asked can anyone link to the calculations?
So what is the craic, if they hadn't of paid the £1.7bn they would still have got the extra £850m coming to them anyhow.
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Darkwood
If we refused to pay the 1.7billion do you honestly think the EU would have give us the rebate... they are crooks and money launderers they have 10 of billions of Euro's un-accounted for in their audits, some has gone missing and is linked to funding terrorist groups, its a complete shambles ....
It just takes someone with guts to say Yes! Ill pay your 1.7billion as you want but I need to see your accounts and that your spending my investment wisely, only one person ever challenged the EU and its lack of accountability for all the missing money that was a rising figure in politics Mr Nigel Farage at one of the EU nations meetings, the EU's response was to ask why he was so against the EU and he replied - wasn't my question to an unelected head of the EU a very good reason on its own merit!
The fact is if the EU was a bank it would have been closed down and those in high jobs would have been jailed for fraud but no its the EU and has no accountability to anyone.
Wasn't Kinnock the EU commissioner who was appointed to sort out the accountability issue I seem to recall the senior auditor at the time refused to sign off the accounts it was sorted out though they fired her and found somebody who would
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Guest77
Political parties aside, we have to pay the Money, we signed up and agreed to it, end of, the bullsh%te over the last week or so from the Chancellor is purely down to next may and the back benchers supporting UKIP, if it was a year or two into the term it would have been settled and we would never had heard a thing from anyone, all bullsh%te.
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Octopus
Politics aside, one Tony Blair gave up 50% of our rebate in 2003 or 2004 in exchange for reform of the CAP - which has never happened. I also heard on the radio today that UK plc is still going to give £2 billion pounds to the Euro "fund".
Seems to me we are bending over and getting shafted all the time.
Seems to me we are bending over and getting shafted all the time.
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Darkwood
At the end of the day, politics is about stealth, slight of hand and illusions.
People will vote for a party that puts £100 pound in their pocket not realising they are taking an extra £200 out of their pockets in hidden costs and taxes.
This is unfortunately the reality of this country as education is at an all time low and voting like always is usually a poor turnout (scots referendum aside).... the people cannot choose who is best to run the country when they don't understand basic politics, so until it becomes part of the education system we will always be run by the best magicians.
People will vote for a party that puts £100 pound in their pocket not realising they are taking an extra £200 out of their pockets in hidden costs and taxes.
This is unfortunately the reality of this country as education is at an all time low and voting like always is usually a poor turnout (scots referendum aside).... the people cannot choose who is best to run the country when they don't understand basic politics, so until it becomes part of the education system we will always be run by the best magicians.
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Octopus
The problem with the companies employing "foreigners" comes back to poor parenting, poor schooling & exam results and the plethora ort stupid TV programmes advocating becoming a "star" and getting paid silly amounts of money for doing SFA.
Parents and kids alike, across the UK from ALL back grounds need to understand that there isn't a pot of gold awaiting after school irrespective of exam results, nor are "entry" jobs well paid, and that career progression requires dedication to the job, turning up on time EVERY day and on occassions doing some unpaid extras.
Parents and kids alike, across the UK from ALL back grounds need to understand that there isn't a pot of gold awaiting after school irrespective of exam results, nor are "entry" jobs well paid, and that career progression requires dedication to the job, turning up on time EVERY day and on occassions doing some unpaid extras.
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Engineer54
The EU can ask and even demand to have UK annual contributions raised, but the fact is, a calculation was negotiated and a contract agreed and signed between the UK and EU at time of entry. Basically the same as every other member country. Now if the UK and Holland made particularly good deals compared to other member countries, TOO BAD!! I doubt very much if the EU can make any member country legally break a signed contract....
The biggest drain on EU finances is the EURO, it's a currency that cannot survive in it's present form. As it stands when one Euro country hits a major balance of payment problems it quickly becomes a domino effect for other Euro countries that are having problems, and once a country's rating falls below ''double A'', they start having serious borrowing problems on a worldwide scale!! Just thank your lucky stars that the UK didn't go down the Euro Zone route!! lol!!
The biggest drain on EU finances is the EURO, it's a currency that cannot survive in it's present form. As it stands when one Euro country hits a major balance of payment problems it quickly becomes a domino effect for other Euro countries that are having problems, and once a country's rating falls below ''double A'', they start having serious borrowing problems on a worldwide scale!! Just thank your lucky stars that the UK didn't go down the Euro Zone route!! lol!!
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Octopus
Hit, nail and head.
The principle reason that the EU is still in recession is that the Euro countries can't recover. If the Southern countries had been allowed to leave back in 2011 then they, by now, would have had growing economies, which in turn would have meant that they would have had to pay more into the EU coffers.
Its also noted that as long as the Euro zone remains depressed, the UK economy won't grow much more either.
So this means that as long as the Euro continues, and the UK economy grows, then our payments to the EU will more than likely grow whilst Germany and France will continue to get "rebates"
So the UK will continue to prop up the Euro what ever happens!
This is in addition the £2 billion we "give" to the Euro "disaster" fund.
Stupidity
Are you sure about that? Ireland has the fastest growing economy in the EU the economy grew by 7.7% in 2014
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Octopus
Ireland has been through very tough public spending cuts and has now emerged from the "other" side - I can't imagine the French, Spanish, Italians, or the Greeks doing the same!
The Irish took on the changes in a positive way - and well done to them - they adjusted their outgoings to suit their income.
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Engineer54
But they are still in debt and still have a credit rating below ''double A''!!
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Maddison
im sure ireland wont be the arm band that stops that ship sinking
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Guest77
Ireland the country may be recovering, but it is 6 quid a pint and a lot of the people in it are struggling, it may start getting very much like here, 1% are rich, 50% struggling and 49% damn broke, and 300,000 families living off food banks, great Ireland had a tough spending cut regime, I hope the public are happy living in squaler.
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