Shower Room

[tazmantic]

Need some advice please all,

Now my dads getting on a bit I decided to turn the old built in wardrobe into a shower for him (perfect size 1100x760 shower base will fit a treat) and one wall backs onto the bathroom right next to the stack pipe other the airing cupboard with all the water i need :0) started on the job, not much really just removed a floor board to check waste route and removed a few shelves only to think after chatting to a mate will I need building regs...... Quick call to council and answer was yes :0(

So they sent me some forms and soon as I work out how to fill them in I will lol, question is what am I going to get for the £140 it looks like there going to charge me????????? Also will I need to get the lectrics tested by a "competent person" ???????
There will be no new cables run in as there is already an inline fan with low voltage lighting that was installed years ago as used it for my computer etc, and in the airing cupboard there is a spare fused spur once again been there years but was going to replace the fcu with an rcd fcu as there is not one it the consumer unit........ the shower I intend to install is a power shower not one with a heater element init...

Any advice greatly received.....

 

[brucelee]

mate if you paying labc they become responsible for the inspection and testing its down to them to make sure it complies then they issue building completion cert and will get approved elecy to do the testing

have you got a copy of elecys guide to building regs or part p approved document free to download along wih all the others from government portal just google approve document part p

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If the fan and the pump are outside of the shower room, then you shouldn't need to RCD protect them, which will leave you just needing to RCD protect the lighting.
If you install the shower using plastic pipes, then you shouldnt need supplementary bonding.
I would consider installing an RCD in an enclosure next to the CU if possible and connecting the lighting to it.
You would only need to test the lighting circuit (Zs, polarity and earth continuity), the RCD and the supply characteristic which could be determined by enquiry.
I'd suggest using a MWC, then you wouldn't have to bother with the supply characteristics.

 

[tazmantic]

mate if you paying labc they become responsible for the inspection and testing its down to them to make sure it complies then they issue building completion cert and will get approved elecy to do the testing

have you got a copy of elecys guide to building regs or part p approved document free to download along wih all the others from government portal just google approve document part p

Thanks again brucelee, so there fee will cover testing as well?? I wont need to pay a lecky as well?? as for a guide to the regs no I aint I will download it and read it as soon as I can. I have seen online courses for part P and you get a cert at the end I have read on here that a cert for part P aint really worth jack but If it teaches me the regs is it not worth the 70 quid?????? I doubt Ill ever be "competent" as its not worth me joining a scheme as I wont be going out doing it for a living I doubt but Id like to be trained up to competent level...
Thanks again for taking the time to explain things to me

 

[tazmantic]

If the fan and the pump are outside of the shower room, then you shouldn't need to RCD protect them, which will leave you just needing to RCD protect the lighting.
If you install the shower using plastic pipes, then you shouldnt need supplementary bonding.
I would consider installing an RCD in an enclosure next to the CU if possible and connecting the lighting to it.
You would only need to test the lighting circuit (Zs, polarity and earth continuity), the RCD and the supply characteristic which could be determined by enquiry.
I'd suggest using a MWC, then you wouldn't have to bother with the supply characteristics.

Hi spinlondon thanks for the extra info, that is what I thought for stuff outside the shower room but wanted it confirmed by someone who knows, as for the light its a 12v dichroic spot thats fitted into the fan grill so the 240v connection for this is also in the loft area so will this need RCD protection??
I will look into fitting an RCD unit by the CU but if I can install it all without needing to alter too much BUT still keeping it perfectly safe to use Ill try go that route, as for the supplementary bonding there was some installed years ago in the bathroom but if there is not any in the airing cupboard (I cant remember I dont go in there too often lol) can I do this????? would it need certificating??????

As with brucelee thanks so much for your time

 

[Deleted member 26818]

As the light is existing, and is 12V, installing an RCD would not do anything to improve safety in the shower room.
As such it will not be required.
To be honest with you, from the information you have supplied, there appears to be little if anything that will require notification, at least as far as Part P is concerned.
I don't know what the requirements of the Building Regulations are with regards installing a shower, outside of Part P.
Also there doesn't appear to be anything that will require Certification.
You are not installing any circuits, you are not carrying out electrical work in a special location, in fact you do not even appear to be altering or adding to any existing circuits.
At present, how is the light and the fan controlled?
If both the light and the fan are controlled by an existing light switch, outside of the shower, then it would seem that all you would be doing electrically, is connecting a pump to an existing FCU.
If the rating of the FCU and the associated wiring is adequate for the pump, you do not fix the wiring from the FCU to the pump and you use plastic pipework to supply the shower, then I would sugget that there is no requirement for Certification.