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i'm fed up of working for companies, i want to work for myself, testing domestic properties, (P.I.R 's) and completing repairs, do i have to register to a money grabbing waste of time organisation, ie nic, nappit, elecsa etc. I am an approved time served electrician with 239/1, could someone clarify this matter :confused::confused: or explain options to me, many thanks
 
To carry out the PIR's, no you dont.

To carry out the remedials, depending on exactly what & where they are, yes.
 
so i'm cornered realy, i firmly believe this part p, notifying malarcy is a giant money making scheme, if i did a basic i want to be a electrician course with little experience then i'd say its for the good, but explain to me why a qualified person like many others on this site should have to notify the work, which is most stuff realy in truth?????
 
being registered to a body (j.i.b), i understand the purpose of this, i'm feeling frustrated at the almost blackmail to join a moneymaking scheme purely to get on and earn a living, unless i purely do p.i.r's only, but theres more to be earnt at the repairs/remedial works
 
You don't have to join one Micky, you could just notify LABC of the job and pay their fees instead, which make the self cert scheme look value for money
 
walsall council charge 285 quid per notification , so i take your point bout the cheaper option, is the fee for joining a scheme much cheaper for testing only basis?:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Your looking about £500 a year with insurance'

thats about £10 per week

you could , maybe, add the £10 to invoice as the Part P safety scheme fee.

Thats only £10 insurance protecting against cowboy work.
 
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Yes, Public Liability but you would need Personal Indemnity for giving advice really.
Some guys on here have had some amazing good deals for insurance so its wise to ask about.

Check through all the scheme providers before you make the leap although some will say only go NIC.
 
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thanks for your advice, is there any definative reason to go with the nic over other providers??
 
i'm fed up of working for companies, i want to work for myself, testing domestic properties, (P.I.R 's) and completing repairs, do i have to register to a money grabbing waste of time organisation, ie nic, nappit, elecsa etc. I am an approved time served electrician with 239/1, could someone clarify this matter :confused::confused: or explain options to me, many thanks

Ah, if only life was so simple.

Don't be in too much of a hurry to be fed up working for the man, just yet mate - there's good and bad on both sides of the fence, and probably the single biggest advantage to employment is you have an income you can depend upon for now.

However, I'm not one to talk about being a dutiful employee - it never worked for me, mainly because I couldn't get over the certain knowledge I knew more than every one of the idiots I ever worked for. I'm not arrogant about much in this life, but, I am blessed, and lucky enough in my own business to prove the point every single day.

So, you want to work for yourself? Maybe I should be thinking on writing a book here?

Do it smart, fella. Is there ANY chance at all your present employer will put you through Part P training, and any updates you might find yourself in need of - basically any training you can get your mitts on right about now?

And while you're contemplating that, sit down in the evenings and write a business plan. Doesn't have to be complicated - but, should answer what it is you're going to do, how you'll get your customers, where they are, and how you'll fund all this.

Critically, your business plan needs to answer the "what I do if it all f***s up in my face" question too - and that is NOT negativity, just smart planning - you may never need it.

While you're still on the man's payroll, get yourself some insurance quotes - public and product liability - often called trades, or combined trades insurance. Google it - there's a ton out there.

Transport? Van? Car? Insurance WITH business use and for the right sort of mileage?

What sort of area will you cover?

As others have said - if you plan to do ANY domestic remedial work at all, Part P. Speak to ELECSA and NAPIT now, get them on board early and use their advice. It's a devil you're better off living with, than around.

Advertising, website building, marketing, and so on - and what are you going to live on while your new empire takes off?

If you need a loan to start a business, you're a million times more likely (and don't tell anyone I said this) to get a loan for say, new car, or home improvements whilst still employed......unless you have the single most compelling business plan in the history of the entire universe. And I know you don't, because we did, and it still only scored us around 80% of what we needed to kick off.

Trust me - the EASY bit of being self employed is going to sites and doing the testing/remedial work.

Are you ready to spend evenings and weekends filling in reports, quotes, keeping books, and so on?

Another good idea at this point is to get in touch with your local Business Link and get on a couple of their free "start your own business" courses. Take time off or go sick. But all the knowledge and help you can find BEFORE you jump, the better the chance you have of making it work.

And the saddest thing of all is this - you may very well be the absolute best sparks in the world. But. And it is a big but - as Shrek's donkey says, big buts don't lie - you might just suck at business.

Just don't be in too much of a hurry to make your dream, mate - it may well turn out a nightmare if you do it wrong. It really is that big of a step.

Other than that, if I can help - ask.
 
NIC are more recognized but e.g ELECSA are cheaper and if a client asks what is elecsa the answer is simple a scheme provider.

Personally I think NIC is more desirable if the intention is to work in industrial or commercial rather than Domestic.

But I'm sure others here will share there thoughts

Edit: Another good read there bill.
 
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NIC are more recognized but e.g ELECSA are cheaper and if a client asks what is elecsa the answer is simple a scheme provider.

Personally I think NIC is more desirable if the intention is to work in industrial or commercial rather than Domestic.

But I'm sure others here will share there thoughts

ELECSA is the ECA's notification scheme for Part P.

NAPIT is an independent notification scheme provider.

NIC EIC runs its own "Domestic Installer" scheme.

Costs are probably around the same overall.

A lot of it will come down to who offers you the service you're most comfortable with.
 
Some very wise advice bill, thankyou for your detailed reply to my quest, youv'e hit the nail on the head as it were, i'm currently doing p.i.r's as foreigners the weekends/evenings, and have nearly got a nice colour leaflet to post to many hundreds of householders offering my testing services with the hope that it takes off, who knows but they say god loves a tryer, so try i will,
 
Some very wise advice bill, thankyou for your detailed reply to my quest, youv'e hit the nail on the head as it were, i'm currently doing p.i.r's as foreigners the weekends/evenings, and have nearly got a nice colour leaflet to post to many hundreds of householders offering my testing services with the hope that it takes off, who knows but they say god loves a tryer, so try i will,

That's where we all started mate - as tryers. Don't give up if it's what you really want to do fella. Do get all the advice you can, and try to use everything around you to fair advantage, as I say - and one other best thing I can say - keep regular contact with the forum here- sometimes, just knowing someone else out there is/has been same boat, and understands can make a very very lonely road a whole heap more bearable.

Go you mate!
 
i fully agree, a problem shared is a problem halved, and thankyou again for your advice i will try try TRY!!!, and maybe go full circle, cards in at a company again, but if i dont do it, i will never know,and that would bother me more than not giving it a go, all the very best.
 

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