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Hey! I found this forum for the purpose of investigating this oddity I've found in my apartment, so here goes:

For some time my girlfriend has been saying she feels prickling in her hand when she uses the bathroom sink. I've proposed it was just the faucet that delivered the water in some way that makes it feel like that, but she's been pretty adamant that that's not the case, and today she proved me wrong, when I took my DMM to investigate. I found that there's about 0.2V of voltage in the running water from all the faucets in my house. Only Volts DC is sensitive enough to measure this on my DMM, so I realise it's probably the right way to measure voltage in this case, but to my DMM it has a clear polarity, meaning I get up to -0.2V when switching the probes. I get nothing when I touch the probes together (of course), and it recently struck me that no DMM are ideal, so the thought has occurred to me that it is the DMM itself that's doing this in some way. I even tried measuring voltage over a single 330 and 10k Ohm resistor to see if I'd get any sort of reading, which I didn't.

So, there's the statement of my girlfriend. She says she's felt it time and again when she's using the bathroom-sink, and I asked my mother today, and she said she's felt it, too, particularly when she's had a cut or similar on her hand, which makes sense due to loss of resistance. I have felt the prickling myself today, and it also hurts holding my tiny cut on a finger under the water, even if water is just running down my hand, and not dripping on the cut itself, making me pretty sure we're dealing with actual current. I have been unsuccessful in measuring any current in the water, so the only reading I've done is V DC. We're in an old apartment building in Norway, from 1912, well preserved. As I've understood, in the old days you'd actually ground something by hooking it up to the copper plumbing, since the copper plumbing was actual ground. I've theorized the possibility that someone below us on the building (we're the top floor) as changed out the old copper pipes, and the pipes have lost their natural grounding. In the kitchen, where I also get a reading, the metal sink has continuity with ground from a socket in the room, and the faucet itself gets a sort of geigerteller sound going when you try to measure continuity, but I'm guessing that's because it's not a solid faucet, and probably has some inner tubings.

We're baffled. My father is very knowledgeable on household electricity and plumbing and he's a DIY guy that knows all the inner workings of such things, so I was stomped when he didn't get what this could be. So I'm hoping someone here can help understand what this is. I'm still open to this being nothing. Water in any cut can hurt, and I might've just felt tingling from warm water when I felt my alleged prickling today, so I don't know.
 
Intresting! What was the two points that you measured voltage between? I would be tempted to take a good known 0v from the main earth into the property, and with a long lead measure between all your pipes etc and that good Earth... and use an AC meter as well.. that to me is the first step.
Ive had a Bathroom sitting at 240v on all metal work but because the whole bathroom was at that potential the only thing people felt was tingles.. to show the occupier how bad it was, I got a 60w lamp in a pendant flex and lit it up between Earth and the bath!!!!

for intrest, that fault was still there even when the main switch to the flat was off.. turned out to be the flat belows washing machine feed..
 
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I know that Norway used to have a thing for IT earthing systems, all old buildings were IT. More recently they've moved toward TNCS as the standard.

First thing I would do is identify which earthing arrangement is installed. Either way this kind of testing is probably outside your fathers skill set plus you need specific testing equipment to find this kind of fault.

I'm going to suggest you either contact the supply authority and ask them to confirm the earthing on your installation is compliant or you'll need to get an experienced electrician to identify and localise the problem.
 
Do you have you access to an analogue volt meter?? DMM can give you superfluous readings at times, which is why, when i see voltages that don't make much sense or i'm suspicious about,(for one reason or another) i always double check with an analogue meter...
 
Intresting! What was the two points that you measured voltage between? I would be tempted to take a good known 0v from the main earth into the property, and with a long lead measure between all your pipes etc and that good Earth... and use an AC meter as well.. that to me is the first step.
Ive had a Bathroom sitting at 240v on all metal work but because the whole bathroom was at that potential the only thing people felt was tingles.. to show the occupier how bad it was, I got a 60w lamp in a pendant flex and lit it up between Earth and the bath!!!!

for intrest, that fault was still there even when the main switch to the flat was off.. turned out to be the flat belows washing machine feed..

I don't get voltage between ground (from ground in a socket in the kitchen) between any points of the metal sink or faucet or any place, but I get it when I stick the probe in running water. Just now it was steady at 100mV, but earlier it was up to 200mV. I also get readings from any faucet in the house by sticking either the two probes in the water, or by holding one probe on the faucet and another in the water.

Interesting problem you had. You'd suggest I try measuring from ground in a different room to the sink in the bathroom? I guess I could try finding proper common and seeing if I find current anywhere. I don't really want to throw the main switch right now - it would ruin my parent's Friday TV-night, but I guess I should try it at some point!

I know that Norway used to have a thing for IT earthing systems, all old buildings were IT. More recently they've moved toward TNCS as the standard.

First thing I would do is identify which earthing arrangement is installed. Either way this kind of testing is probably outside your fathers skill set plus you need specific testing equipment to find this kind of fault.

I'm going to suggest you either contact the supply authority and ask them to confirm the earthing on your installation is compliant or you'll need to get an experienced electrician to identify and localise the problem.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'll mention this to my father. Are there any kind of threats with a fault like this? So far only my girl that seems to be sensitive to these kinds of things have experienced it - I've never thought about it before.

Do you have you access to an analogue volt meter?? DMM can give you superfluous readings at times, which is why, when i see voltages that don't make much sense or i'm suspicious about,(for one reason or another) i always double check with an analogue meter...

Good point. I don't think so, but I can probably borrow one from work.
 
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Ok from what you have said it sounds like static

Water is a very good conductor so passing water past the metal faucet, this charges the ions in the water to a positive charge. Because you dont have an earth on these pipes
the pipes have lost their natural grounding


When you touch the water as you are earthed on the floor to some extent you will get a tingle in your hands.


Try something
Earth the main water feed pipe into your house with a wire from the earth for your house, that should stop all static being generated within your pipes.

If that works either get your father to earth the main pipe correctly or get an electrician in to earth it properly.

In relation with DC voltage of 0.2v, that sounds like static as the water ions will be positively charged creating a DC current.


Let us know if that works
 
Ok from what you have said it sounds like static

Water is a very good conductor so passing water past the metal faucet, this charges the ions in the water to a positive charge. Because you dont have an earth on these pipes

When you touch the water as you are earthed on the floor to some extent you will get a tingle in your hands.


Try something
Earth the main water feed pipe into your house with a wire from the earth for your house, that should stop all static being generated within your pipes.

If that works either get your father to earth the main pipe correctly or get an electrician in to earth it properly.

In relation with DC voltage of 0.2v, that sounds like static as the water ions will be positively charged creating a DC current.


Let us know if that works

Yeah, my dad talked something about grounding clams on pipes, so we'll look into this. Thanks for all the replies and info, guys!
 

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