Swap Shop - MCS Documents

[Energetic]

Hi All,

We had our recent MCS assessment and got a few non-coms for lack of the appropriate documents/current versions despite using most of them for the last three years.

Was wondering if anyone would like to offload any of the following to partially recoup your investment in them? PM me if interested...

G83/2
G59
EN ISO 14713
EN ISO 1008-1

Might be a good way of pooling resources in future since pdf's can be easily shared and IMO there's little point in actually owning them since the DNO gives its own guidence.

 

[infinity]

I would have shared it as people have been kind to me here and sent me expensive Pdf books, but i only have G83-1 im afraid!
I assume this is the Niceic?

Im thinking i may keep my MCS with Napit and NICEIC approved contractor separate for these reasons.

 

[Energetic]

This was Napit, we have a new inspector this year who's got a plumbing background and doesn't see things quite the same as the last... :-(

 

[whinmoor]

This was Napit, we have a new inspector this year who's got a plumbing background and doesn't see things quite the same as the last... :-(

Jobsworth. Glad he's not operating in our area.

Sharing resources sounds like a good idea. I'll take a look at what we've got when I'm in the office.

 

[BruceB]

This was Napit, we have a new inspector this year who's got a plumbing background and doesn't see things quite the same as the last... :-(

Snap! BB

 

[Eco Deal]

Is the assessor from midlands?

 

[Worcester]

That'll be ours then had him for the last 3 years, and he has always wanted to see them , even wanted to see the TUV certificates for the mounting systems we've used. (he got that from para 4.6 of the MIS 3002 ..)

Re G83/2 - that doesn't come into force until March 2014 so you shouldn't need to have that yet...

Here's the list of what you could be asked for according to MIS 3002 Issue 3.1 (the latest):

8. PUBLICATIONS REFERRED TO
The following list implies the latest edition and amendments:
Guide to the Installation of Photovoltaic Systems (MCS/ECA publication: ISBN 978-0-9574827-0-8– Hard Copy / ISBN 978-0-9574827-1-5– Electronic PDF)
BRE Digest 489 Wind loads on roof-based photovoltaic systems. Available from: BREbookshop.com
BRE Digest 495 Mechanical installation of roof-mounted photovoltaic systems. Available from: BREbookshop.com
EN ISO 14713:1999 Protection against corrosion of iron and steel structures – Zinc and aluminium coatings – Guidelines. Available from British Standards Institution (BSI): Standards, Training, Testing, Assessment and Certification | BSI Group
EN 10088-1:2005 Stainless steels. List of stainless steels. Available from British Standards Institution (BSI): Standards, Training, Testing, Assessment and Certification | BSI Group
EN 12975-2:2006 Thermal solar systems and components – Solar collectors – Part 2 Test methods. Available from British Standards Institution (BSI): Standards, Training, Testing, Assessment and Certification | BSI Group
BS 7671:2001 Requirements for Electrical Installations (IEE Wiring Regulations Sixteenth Edition). Available from British Standards Institution (BSI): Standards, Training, Testing, Assessment and Certification | BSI Group or The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET): Resources - The IET
G59/1 1991 ' Recommendations for the Connection of Embedded Generating Plant to the Public Electricity Suppliers' Distribution Systems'. Available from The Energy Networks Association, ENA - Energy Networks Association Homepage .
G83/1 2003 ' Recommendations for the Connection of Small-scale Embedded Generators (up to 16 A per phase) in parallel with Public Low-voltage Distribution Networks'. Available from The Energy Networks Association, ENA - Energy Networks Association Homepage
MCS 001 - MCS - Installer certification scheme document. Available from Microgeneration Certification Scheme - Home
MCS 002 - Guidance on regulations and directives for microgeneration installations. Available from Microgeneration Certification Scheme - Home

Here are some links:
1) Guide: http://www.microgenerationcertification.org/images/PV Book ELECTRONIC.pdf
2) 489 Originally sourced from Segen : View attachment #09-BRE Digest 489 Wind loads on roof based photovoltaic systems.pdf
3) 495 Originally sourced from Segen : View attachment #10-BRE Digest 495 Mechanical installation of roof-mounted photovoltaic systems.pdf
4) ----
5) ----
6) ----
7) You really ought to have this Requirements for Electrical Installations: BS 7671:2008 Incorporating Amendment No 1: 2011: IET Wiring Regulations: Amazon.co.uk: Institution Of Engineering And Technology: Books
8) Ours is in print form
9) Ours is in print form
10) MIS 001 http://www.microgenerationcertifica...cation Scheme Requirements 1st April 2013.pdf
11) MIS 002 http://www.microgenerationcertifica...lations and European Directives 25 Feb 09.pdf

 

[TedM]

To be completely up to date you also need the revised BS7671 Amendment #1 issued in June and #2 issued 1st August this year.

These are both free downloads from the IET website, you just need to register.

IET Wiring Regulations updates - IET Electrical

 

[BruceB]

What was a bit irritating was that Napit had not provided a list beforehand of what you had to hold against what you had to know how to access if you needed it.

 

[Worcester]

What was a bit irritating was that Napit had not provided a list beforehand of what you had to hold against what you had to know how to access if you needed it.

I know we've asked them for that time and time again as we've been adding new technologies. Really frustrating..

Having had more than a few audits now, it seems that the inspectors questions are randomly generated against the standards, by some computer system, so they don't actually get to choose how or which question to ask.

 

[Energetic]

I have, ahem, acquired copies of G59/2 2010 and G83/1-1 2008 if you want one let me know your email address.

I also have both the ENA guides to G83 & G59 which were previously accepted by our other executioner er examiner and may still be by others elsewhere.

Anyone willing to contribute EN ISO 14713 or EN ISO 1008-1 or G83/2?

 

[whinmoor]

I promised to have a dig through my stuff. I found a pdf file entitled:

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INTERNATIONAL STANDARD
ISO 14713-2
First edition
2009-12-15

Zinc coatings — Guidelines and recommendations for the protection against corrosion of iron and steel in structures

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It's way beyond me but if anyone wants a copy, send me an PM or email ([email protected]). I doubt it's urgent so I'll deal with all requests at the end of next week.

Philip