Terminal Identification

Big_Nige · Mar 26, 2009

Hi guys

Can someone identify the terminals in the photos below, are they DIN?

I want to replace a set of LNE terminals in this row with a set with larger capacity. Any ideas where I can get some?

Guest123 · Mar 26, 2009

Hi Nige.

Thems just ordinary Din Rail connector blocks, available from any good wholesaler

Cheers

kung · Mar 26, 2009

Hello and welcome Nige

Big_Nige · Mar 26, 2009

lennytheloon said:
Din Rail connector blocks, available from any good wholesaler...

Hi Lenny,

I get most of my stuff from CPC, it's a 40 minute drive to the wholesaler. If I search CPC for DIN TERMINAL I get a whole bunch of stuff that looks very different, viz:

It's quite important that the replacements have the same profile as the old ones.

musicmaster050 · Mar 26, 2009

lenny what are they used for av never seen them before thanx from mike ?

Guest123 · Mar 26, 2009

Hey Nige.

All these connectors are different but they have the same din rail mounting. Do your new ones need to have the same wire terminals or just the rail clips??

Wire Connection : DIN Rail Mount Connectors

Big_Nige · Mar 26, 2009

lennytheloon said:
Hey Nige.

All these connectors are different but they have the same din rail mounting. Do your new ones need to have the same wire terminals or just the rail clips??
Wire Connection*:*DIN Rail Mount Connectors

Ideally I'd like them to be identical, so I guess I'll have to find out who made them. At least now I know what to ask for, thanks.

Mike: they are just terminal blocks, which happen to hang on a DIN rail (as found inside a Consumer Unit). Essentially just chocolate blocks, but with better identification and mounting.

Guest123 · Mar 27, 2009

Hey Mike.

Like Nige said we use them because they are better than normal connectors. I use them a lot on commercial heating jobs where those small domestic central heating J/B's just arent big enough.

It's a lot safer/neater than having a load of normal connectors floating round in a poly box.

Big_Nige · Jun 1, 2009

OK, I've got a better photo:

Any ideas who this is made by?

Notsosmart · Jun 1, 2009

Big_Nige said:
Any ideas who this is made by?

Hi Nige,
Hope I'm not about to teach you to suck eggs

but here goes anyway;...
Unfortunately i don't recognise these by sight, Various terminal manufacturers include; Weidmuller, Wago, Pheonix, contactum etc it depends on who your wholesaler stocks, the sizes refer to the maximum cable csa(so2.5 terms can take a maximum of 2.5mm2. If you replace these terminals for larger capacity they are likely to be wider & therefore take more space up on the rail ~ you could end up having to replace the rail also. DIN rail refers to different types & sizes of rail; the particular type that your terminals are mounted on is TS35 or "top-hat"

If you do replace the terminals don't get the blue ones because control industry standard denote these as being for I.S. equipment (Barriers etc), also make sure that you get the appropriate end [plates & end stops.

Sorry again if you knew all this; hey you could always send you're Grandma round I'll teach her a thing or two

.................... And not in a little britain way!!!

Regards Gaz..

Big_Nige · Jun 1, 2009

Notsosmart said:
DIN rail refers to different types & sizes of rail; the particular type that your terminals are mounted on is TS35 or "top-hat"

Now that I didn't know, thank you.

The reason I want to know who made them, is that I need to replace just one on the rail.

I could probably find another make that would fit, but I'm way too obsessive for that

OilBeDamned · Jun 1, 2009

Either wiedmuller or klippon terminals.

They look like 2.5 terminals.

Just tell who ever your ordering them from is that they are for top hat din rail and you want an end piece.

Notsosmart · Jun 1, 2009

Big_Nige said:
I could probably find another make that would fit, but I'm way too obsessive for that

Not obsessive just conciencious

Have you tried removing (temporarily) one of the earth terminals, as they are usually/generally double sided it may have the manufacturer on t'outher side.

OilBeDamned said:
Either wiedmuller or klippon terminals.

Same thing, & I doubt it as they would say so

OilBeDamned said:
They look like 2.5 terminals.

The 2.5N gives the game away

boatnik1 · Jun 1, 2009

Farly sure they are ABB/ entrelec terminals, I think ths profile was just for 2.5 and 4mm.
Entrelec 4mm ref. 115468.20. RS do them. There's probably someone cheaper though.

Like here:. http://www.csedistributors.com/acatalog/Entrelec.html

Big_Nige · Jun 1, 2009

Notsosmart said:
Not obsessive just conciencious

Have you tried removing (temporarily) one of the earth terminals, as they are usually/generally double sided it may have the manufacturer on t'outher side.

This is the best photo I could get:

I could do a higher-res image of any part of it if that would help. The bit at the bottom could be a manufacturer, but I can't read it, even after playing with Photoshop:

Notsosmart · Jun 2, 2009

Hmmm Could be phoenix but too fuzzy to tell.

I suppose you have checked elsewhere within the panel(?) for a spare unused terminal that you could either swap or take into a wholesaler?

Big_Nige · Jun 2, 2009

Notsosmart said:
Hmmm Could be phoenix but too fuzzy to tell.

Bingo! I was trying to read it as a single word, now I see there is a logo, see below:

I should have guessed it would be Phoenix Contacts, as the end brackets are made by them (although a different shape) - these are the Clipfix 35 range:

Now all I have to do is find out which range these are from.

Notsosmart · Jun 2, 2009

Gr8, , back to web search for you then; good luck

Andy Smith · Jun 2, 2009

Big_Nige said:
Ideally I'd like them to be identical, so I guess I'll have to find out who made them. At least now I know what to ask for, thanks.

Mike: they are just terminal blocks, which happen to hang on a DIN rail (as found inside a Consumer Unit). Essentially just chocolate blocks, but with better identification and mounting.

Firstly welcome along, the look like Weidmuller terminals to me guess im about 50% confident. I have some terminal books here ill try and find out for sure

Now i look a pratt didn't read all the posts did I sorry guys

Notsosmart · Jun 2, 2009

Andy Smith said:
Firstly welcome along, the look like Weidmuller terminals to me guess im about 50% confident. I have some terminal books here ill try and find out for sure

Now i look a pratt didn't read all the posts did I sorry guys

Nah, no one is a Pratt when they are trying to help.
The only pratts are those that purposely mislead

Big_Nige · Jun 2, 2009

I've found out what type they are, but to get a larger size cable entry, the modules are larger. Not sure I want to do that, so I could add a couple more and redistribute the cables: one set have 5 x 1.5mm flex in them! (not shown in these photos). Then I run out of room on the rail, so do they have to have the end backets?

Andy Smith · Jun 2, 2009

Big_Nige said:
I've found out what type they are, but to get a larger size cable entry, the modules are larger. Not sure I want to do that, so I could add a couple more and redistribute the cables: one set have 5 x 1.5mm flex in them! (not shown in these photos). Then I run out of room on the rail, so do they have to have the end backets?

You can get different types that are same physical footprint, have you got the dimensions you want to be close to?

Notsosmart · Jun 2, 2009

Big_Nige said:
I've found out what type they are, but to get a larger size cable entry, the modules are larger. Not sure I want to do that, so I could add a couple more and redistribute the cables: one set have 5 x 1.5mm flex in them! (not shown in these photos). Then I run out of room on the rail, so do they have to have the end backets?

Not the best of practices but If the earth terminals clamp to the rail using a centre screw then they can act as end stops, from memory some phoenix et's grip the rail with a spring type action so will restrict movement.

Big_Nige · Jun 3, 2009

Why is life so complicated! I've found the items I want (see below), but now I can't find anywhere that will sell them singly.

Any suggestions?

Phoenix Contact
1 x 3003347 UK 2,5 N
1 x 3003350 UK 2,5 N BU
2 x 0441119 USLKG 2,5 N

Notsosmart · Jun 4, 2009

Nige,

If I had some I'd give you them.
Do you know anyone in the Controls game that you could go begging to, alternatively blag some off a wholesaler by requesting samples.

Andy Smith · Jun 4, 2009

Big_Nige said:
Why is life so complicated! I've found the items I want (see below), but now I can't find anywhere that will sell them singly.

Any suggestions?

Phoenix Contact
1 x 3003347 UK 2,5 N
1 x 3003350 UK 2,5 N BU
2 x 0441119 USLKG 2,5 N