Testing advice

[Gary2509]

Good morning everyone wondered if you could help, so carried out and EICR of 3 commercial units in 2019 and since then had a dispute with the landlord and the landlord is now requesting my customer have there electrics tested again as the landlord is trying to say I did not do this correctly -

now quite clearly tests carried out in 2019 will have varying results to testing 2 years later .
but where would I legally stand on challenging this landlords comments? This comment from the landlord to my customer has potentially cost me a further job for them of over 15k so I’m looking to get some information I can fire back to this landlord ASAP

 

[i=p/u]

Sneak up and just bang him on the nose, if he saying bad stuff abouy you

 

[Gary2509]

Sneak up and just bang him on the nose, if he saying bad stuff abouy you

This isn’t the route I want to go , I’m looking for a professional route as this is a continued case of defamation of character as I won’t register with NICEIC approved contractor they are trying to enforce there 100 customers not to use me and now trying to come up with reasons why not to use me and this maybe become a legal case of there harrassment and wrongfully telling my customers lies etc

 

[DPG]

Good morning everyone wondered if you could help, so carried out and EICR of 3 commercial units in 2019 and since then had a dispute with the landlord and the landlord is now requesting my customer have there electrics tested again as the landlord is trying to say I did not do this correctly -

now quite clearly tests carried out in 2019 will have varying results to testing 2 years later .
but where would I legally stand on challenging this landlords comments? This comment from the landlord to my customer has potentially cost me a further job for them of over 15k so I’m looking to get some information I can fire back to this landlord ASAP

Do you have details of what they are saying you did wrong or missed?

 

[i=p/u]

We all want todo the right thing, when comes to work, but arguing with people cost money and time, you gotta chat the chat and fix this issue or walk away

 

[Gary2509]

Do you have details of what they are saying you did wrong or missed?

No this simply started because I’ve told my customers you don’t legally have to be registered with NICEIC for electrical testing , so the landlord has got funny and decided to inform all customers they want to get there electrics re tested - all tests were carried out 2018/2019 . And this landlord has given the reason because gary don’t registered we believe he hasn’t carried out the works correctly

 

[DPG]

I see. They are clearly wrong.

What was the 'dispute with the landlord' that triggered this?

 

[buzzlightyear]

I won’t register with NICEIC approved contractor they are trying to enforce there 100 customers not to use me and now trying to come up with reasons why not to use me and this maybe become a legal case of there harrassment and wrongfully telling my customers lies etc

the is way out of this NICEIC are not the big shots has they think they are ,if have done the correct testing then you can say its was done write, i have seen a lot of peaple who put the some test certs on here and some are quite appalling ,but post the duplicate test certs take out the customers name and your self and let us be judge and jury .

 

[UNG]

No this simply started because I’ve told my customers you don’t legally have to be registered with NICEIC for electrical testing , so the landlord has got funny and decided to inform all customers they want to get there electrics re tested - all tests were carried out 2018/2019 . And this landlord has given the reason because gary don’t registered we believe he hasn’t carried out the works correctly

Your profile says Trainee Electrician so what qualifications and equipment have you got to justify your ability to carry out satisfactory EICR's
Has the landlord put any of this in writing to the tenants or yourself as without hard proof it could be a fruitless exercise making any legal challenge

 

[Gary2509]

I see. They are clearly wrong.

What was the 'dispute with the landlord' that triggered this?

They informed customers that is was law to use NICEIC contractor only and all there customers wanted to use me

 

[Gary2509]

Your profile says Trainee Electrician so what qualifications and equipment have you got to justify your ability to carry out satisfactory EICR's
Has the landlord put any of this in writing to the tenants or yourself as without hard proof it could be a fruitless exercise making any legal challenge

I have my 18th edition , 2391 , done 2394 and 2395 and have all test equipment . Landlord has sent it in email to myself and called all customers

 

[Gary2509]

the is way out of this NICEIC are not the big shots has they think they are ,if have done the correct testing then you can say its was done write, i have seen a lot of peaple who put the some test certs on here and some are quite appalling ,but post the duplicate test certs take out the customers name and your self and let us be judge and jury .

I will have to dig them out as will be in boxes as just moved as I sed was in 2018/2019 so will dig them out and do that

 

[buzzlightyear]

They informed customers that is was law to use NICEIC contractor only and all there customers wanted to use me

what FFff law ,NICEIC ARE THEY NOT A CHARATY ,HOW I FORGOT ROB THE SPARK AND KEEP THE MONEY ,NOW IM SHOUTING .

 

[i=p/u]

T much info guy, feel your pain tho, hopefully someone can come up with a soloution here,

Youve got his back up, and they will probably. Listen to him

 

[buzzlightyear]

I will have to dig them out as will be in boxes as just moved as I sed was in 2018/2019 so will dig them out and do that

I had a customer that I did a job in 2010 I had to digs his old certs out of the loft ,for a eicr .

 

[nicebutdim]

If you feel that someone is slandering you, there's not a great range of options.

You could challenge them in a letter or you could take legal action. Problem with slander is that someone needs to go on record confirming the allegations as otherwise it is heresay and easily denied.

**I'm not qualified to provide legal advice, so the above should be considered as musings and not advice.

 

[i=p/u]

Act like the cheetah of the massa Mara, weight the fight up

 

[DPG]

I have my 18th edition , 2391 , done 2394 and 2395 and have all test equipment . Landlord has sent it in email to myself and called all customers

That's good that he has emailed his thoughts. Keep that email.

Could you maybe post it on here but with any personal details obscured?

 

[nicebutdim]

That's good that he has emailed his thoughts. Keep that email.

Could you maybe post it on here but with any personal details obscured?

Missed the comment about an email.

Safe to say my musings can be ignored, if they weren't already

 

[Mike Johnson]

Officially written down somewhere will be the criteria needed to carry out testing, just copy it out and send it to the LL and anyone else that may be interested?

However BS7671, guidance note 3: page 12 section 1.2 does say :
it is worth noting that the person responsible for inspection and testing may be required to formally demonstrate competence by means of registration /certification under a recognised scheme or membership of a recognised trade body, or for example as a condition of contract and/or as a requirement of the Local Area Building Control.

If the landlord insists that you need to be registered that's the end of it I am afraid, even though they may be wrong technically, BS7671 is on their side.

 

[UNG]

Officially written down somewhere will be the criteria needed to carry out testing, just copy it out and send it to the LL and anyone else that may be interested?

However BS7671, guidance note 3: page 12 section 1.2 does say :
it is worth noting that the person responsible for inspection and testing may be required to formally demonstrate competence by means of registration /certification under a recognised scheme or membership of a recognised trade body, or for example as a condition of contract and/or as a requirement of the Local Area Building Control.

If the landlord insists that you need to be registered that's the end of it I am afraid, even though they may be wrong technically, BS7671 is on their side.

My understanding is the guidance notes form no part of BS7671 they are merely written as a guide to support the requirements of BS7671

 

[Lister1987]

Do you have the clients(s) details that he has contacted, if so it's a simple email stating the terms of any prior contracts, the absence of any clause to be CPS registered and provision of your qualifications.

Contact them directly, put your defence over and leave them to it. The clients that think the LL is a knob will stay and the ones that would rather trust a nonelectrician over a qualified one are just prime candidates for Darwin.

 

[Mike Johnson]

My understanding is the guidance notes form no part of BS7671 they are merely written as a guide to support the requirements of BS7671

Why stop there, BS7671 is not a statutory instrument so does not form part of the Regulations.

 

[Lister1987]

Why stop there, BS7671 is not even a statutory instrument so does not form part of the Regulations.

Turn it back on the LL, if you are as bad as they want others to believe them THEY have breached regulations 3 (duties), 4 (systems of work) and 16 (Competency) A polite reminder of thier obligations under EAWR as a shot across the bow

 

[UNG]

Why stop there, BS7671 is not even a statutory instrument so does not form part of the Regulations.

There you go yet AGAIN