The end of NVQ3

[Dustydazzler]

Have heard from a couple different people recently that NVQ3 will no longer be taught in college after this Summer. Just NVQ2 will be available after September

Anyone else heard this ?

 

[nicebutdim]

Sounds like nonsense.

 

[MDJ]

sounds wrong, but the standards these days are far less than the old days. Back then it was a 5 year apprenticeship, 2 years to get your approved and you had to be 27 have a written letter from a manager or be NVQ4 or equal to get your technician, these days a 6 month course and you can become a domestic installer so I don't doubt the standards are dropping, now where is that damn popcorn.

 

[UNG]

sounds wrong, but the standards these days are far less than the old days. Back then it was a 5 year apprenticeship, 2 years to get your approved and you had to be 27 have a written letter from a manager or be NVQ4 or equal to get your technician, these days a 6 month course and you can become a domestic installer so I don't doubt the standards are dropping, now where is that damn popcorn.

Are you sure it's month's I thought it was weeks

 

[newfutile]

How will we have future QS if level 3 is required ?

 

[Cbelectrics]

I feel like the whole system is lacking regarding routes in to the industry. Had a guy when i was an apprentice that qualified/gold card…..all i heard was the whining from his drill trying drill through metal with the hammer setting on, terminating an armoured looked like 200 year old rope tail and the list went on. Think that sums up the way the nvq is a load of you know what. Easy to bs your way through it with no experience needed. Think that’s mainly these private companies offering it as apposed to apprentices at a college. Does anyone else feel like companies are not as varied anymore with the work they do?

Meet a lot of electricians that have experience in one area a lot and not so much a varied experience anymore.

 

[7029 dave]

I feel like the whole system is lacking regarding routes in to the industry. Had a guy when i was an apprentice that qualified/gold card…..all i heard was the whining from his drill trying drill through metal with the hammer setting on, terminating an armoured looked like 200 year old rope tail and the list went on. Think that sums up the way the nvq is a load of you know what. Easy to bs your way through it with no experience needed. Think that’s mainly these private companies offering it as apposed to apprentices at a college. Does anyone else feel like companies are not as varied anymore with the work they do?

Meet a lot of electricians that have experience in one area a lot and not so much a varied experience anymore.

IMO is should go back to the C&G 236 days all done on practical assignments and coursework and written obviously, if a fail in any of these it was no pass.
I done NVQ for my gas portfolio etc it was easier.

 

[UNG]

I feel like the whole system is lacking regarding routes in to the industry.

In what way

Had a guy when i was an apprentice that qualified/gold card…..all i heard was the whining from his drill trying drill through metal with the hammer setting on, terminating an armoured looked like 200 year old rope tail and the list went on.

Some people can't do basic DIY yet want to get into a trade

Think that sums up the way the nvq is a load of you know what. Easy to bs your way through it with no experience needed.

Ahh the Not Very Q............. qualification

Think that’s mainly these private companies offering it as apposed to apprentices at a college. Does anyone else feel like companies are not as varied anymore with the work they do?

The problem is that the trade has been fragmented not just with domestic, commercial and industrial sectors so much that was bread and butter to an electrician 30 - 40 years ago has been split away into specialisms , how many schemes do you have to pay and how many assessments do you have to find time for just to do a days work

Meet a lot of electricians that have experience in one area a lot and not so much a varied experience anymore.

I meet a lot who don't understand 3 phase but then say they only do domestic. probably wouldn't know what a floating neutral was unless it was heading down the river
But then again talking to wholesalers staff I have known for 20 or more years the number of "qualified" electricians who are asking the wholesalers what they need for some jobs they have taken on is getting more frequent

 

[nicebutdim]

There's much talk about how the industry is split into specialist areas. It isn't split in any such manner and decisions made by individuals are just that - personal decisions to remain within a particular comfort zone. I work mainly on industrial installations, but that's because of one large customer for the company I sub in to. That industrial work could be new installation, cable pulling, maintenance and a lot more. Tomorrow I might just as easily find myself working on a new shop or fault finding in a house. A lot of guys who work only on domestic installations do indeed state that they know nothing about 3 phase, but that's more because they don't want to know and not because they haven't been taught. Conversely we see posts from 'industrial' sparks who don't know how to go about fitting a new socket in their own home - really basic stuff they don't know for no reason other than they don't care to keep up with regulatory changes. It boils down to one thing - the inherent laziness of people.