The Green Deal Again.

[TedM]

I haven't seen the webchat yet, but will try to get through it tonight.

You've always got to bear in mind the Green Deal 'Golden Rule' - that no energy efficiency measure (or maybe pv) can be funded by it unless the money it saves from your energy bill can meet the cost of the finance repayments. So whether GD can be used to pay the capital cost of a pv installation can depend on exactly how the benefit side is allowed to work; i.e. if only the actual cost of electricity saved is used or if the income from FiTs generation and export is added to this figure. If it is only the offset then no pv system is ever likely to meet the rule.

 

[SRE]

I was hoping that the fit and export would be included but it appears not to be. So no pv for Green Deal in the short term.

 

[TedM]

Just been through the DECC webchat and have to say that most useful questions were simply ignored. There was no real clarity on the GD/FiTs/RHI question.

Here's another analysis that blows holes in GD - Carbon Commentary · The Green Deal: failure is almost guaranteed

 

[The Solar King]

Get Real

The Green Deal = The Mean Deal

This is a highly regressive policy which will adversely affect the less well off. It will promote fuel poverty. Bill payers pay for this.
This is something to keep the swivel eyed Tory back benchers happy. If they weren't MPs they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act for our protection let alone their own. Unfortunately Government cuts mean there are no longer institutions where we can lock this lot away and forget about them.

 

[SRE]

Apparently the British Gas pilot of Green Deal has shown less than 5% take up - certainly looks like it's going to be another white elephant.

Department of Energy and Climate Change Blog» Blog Archive » The Golden Rule the comments are interesting ....

 

[telectrix]

the whole issue of climate change is ONE BIG CON. remember last winter, several degrees below freezing for weeks on end. this year it's much warmer. can anyone with a brain say that this is caused by man's emission of CO2 and the like in only 1 year? ...nope, it's all due to the Sun (not the daily comic, that big yellow thing in the sky). it's like king canut trying to stop the tide coming in. man can't change nature, but some will make oodles of cash for themselves trying to persuade us otherwise. rant of the day over.

 

[SolarCity]

remember last winter, several degrees below freezing for weeks on end. this year it's much warmer.

Er... so what's your point?

can anyone with a brain say that this is caused by man's emission of CO2 and the like in only 1 year? ...nope, it's all due to the Sun

No, and no one else is saying that either.

No offence, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Global warming IS happening - if this is due to natural cycles or not is the only thing that is debatable.

My opinion is that we should act as if we are causing the warming and do everything we can to correct it.

 

[sambotc]

What caused global cooling then (ice age) ? I'm pretty sure we weren't burning fossil fuels back then? Global warming may well exist, but i've yet to see proof that it is not part of a natural cycle and definitely through our addiction to oil. I do agree with you though that we should do what we can to prevent rather than sit back an assume all is OK, but why does so much money have to be made from it by already wealthy businessman (big 6, major oil companies all have vested interests in green energy now)

I'm pretty sure the timing has more to do with depleting oil supplies, and the strange anomalies in recent weather conditions as a push in the right direction, than carbon emissions or melting ice caps.

Maybe i'm naive, or maybe i've been fed some much bull over the years by media and government, that everything I hear brings suspicion to the table with it.

 

[solarsavings]

Perhaps those with the most to lose see the evidence clearly enough while those like lord lawson who cant see beyond his next lardy and port.
This sites worth a trawl through Climate Change and Global Warming Introduction

 

[SRE]

Whether you agree with climate change or not ( Kyoto agreements were in force by 1997 and had been worked on for 5 years before then so climate change has been uncovered in the last year ;-) ) security of supply - of water and energy, is what is going to drive politics for the forseeable future.

You only need to look at what Iran are threatening at the minute to see how important it is for us to preserve what we have and adopt as much self generation as possible. I can't for the life of me see how the green Deal is going to tackle it though.

 

[CES Heating]

Its simple... its not. The Green deal is a con, the only deal will be the for the finance providers and the national installing companies (who will actually be providing finance themselves too). These days, anything lablelled "green" should be looked into very carefully as most schemes are nothing but vehicles for milking the public dry.
You will be better off installing insulation and energy efficient measures yourself (or by using a properly qualified contractor within their specific field e.g. Gas, Solar etc). Money men / Government ruin everything once they get involved.

 

[moggy1968]

I don't see PV as anything to do with climate change because the arguments are too muddled and contradictory.
I do see solar and other renewables as being about saving resources.
It is totally clear that we cannot go on using our natural resources as we are and have, we have to find alternative ways of generating energy to preserve those resources for as long as we can.

 

[Eco Deal]

heres a green deal question

we will have installers
we will have providers

we a company be able to provide and install under the same roof????

like an umberella company

 

[moggy1968]

I think it is a scheme for bigger companies who can supply the complete package. A bit like MCS was really designed to exclude small or one man companies

 

[Eco Deal]

I dont see why only large companies can do full lot ?

you should be ablr to gain accreditations for both provider and installer

but the only problem is where do you go to get finance for your customer I heard it will be the likes of large retail companys or banks but not sure if I am correct !