The Nice Attack And Terrorism - Politics

[Midwest]

Please note that this post and the 6 posts that follow it were relocated from another thread that was offering sympathies to the victims of the Nice attack. Apologies for any confusion but I though it more respectful to discuss the politics in a new thread. Thanks - Marvo.


Its a sad world we live in. Unfortunately doesn't need a political or religious organisation to sway a conscientious mind, those more mentally challenge get caught up in their euphoria and we are where we are. Nothing changes, just more innocents lose their lives. Seems Man's inhumanity to Man, has no boundaries.

 

[Englishman]

Re: Nice Attacks

Until this is tackled head on, it will continue. Regardless of what people want to admit to themselves, this is a muslim problem, where these murderous *******s subscribe to the interpretation that everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered. The governments must take note of this. All you ever hear is people saying its a tiny minority of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion etc. but they don't do enough to combat the issue, and even after knowing that some of the Paris and Brussels terrorists came through as refugees, they still let them in with no checks.

 

[Pete999]

Re: Nice Attacks

Until this is tackled head on, it will continue. Regardless of what people want to admit to themselves, this is a muslim problem, where these murderous *******s subscribe to the interpretation that everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered. The governments must take note of this. All you ever hear is people saying its a tiny minority of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion etc. but they don't do enough to combat the issue, and even after knowing that some of the Paris and Brussels terrorists came through as refugees, they still let them in with no checks.

Genuine question, what do you honestly think the solution is? the same sort of thing was being said about the Jewish People, not Terrorism I agree the supposed problem was more a financial one,

Care is going to be needed whatever route the Governments take.

 

[GMES]

Re: Nice Attacks

I also have a serious genuine question how long until these attacks are happening across cities in the uk,,
London ( Again ), Birmingham, Sheffield ,Manchester etc etc .
One thing I wil say is that for a so called minority they are having a pretty big impact.

 

[davesparks]

Re: Nice Attacks

Until this is tackled head on, it will continue. Regardless of what people want to admit to themselves, this is a muslim problem, where these murderous *******s subscribe to the interpretation that everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered. The governments must take note of this. All you ever hear is people saying its a tiny minority of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion etc. but they don't do enough to combat the issue, and even after knowing that some of the Paris and Brussels terrorists came through as refugees, they still let them in with no checks.

It is not a Muslim problem, it is a terrorist problem. Terrorism is not unique to the people who follow Islam.


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[HandySparks]

Re: Nice Attacks

Joined-up anti terrorism services goes some way towards combatting the problem:
BBC Radio 4 - From Our Home Correspondent, 17/07/2016
01:25 to 08:20
Personally, I'd approve of increased surveillance of the population if it helps to foil mass murder on the scale we've seen over the past few months in France.

Also worth a listen: 13:00-18:10.

 

[Midwest]

Re: Nice Attacks

Until this is tackled head on, it will continue. Regardless of what people want to admit to themselves, this is a muslim problem, where these murderous *******s subscribe to the interpretation that everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered. The governments must take note of this. All you ever hear is people saying its a tiny minority of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion etc. but they don't do enough to combat the issue, and even after knowing that some of the Paris and Brussels terrorists came through as refugees, they still let them in with no checks.

So how do you think we should attack this problem head on?

 

[Marvo]

The Nice Attack And Terrorism

I created this thread to separate the political discussions from the Nice Attack condolences thread. Please discuss the politics here and keep the other thread for condolences.

 

[Englishman]

Re: Nice Attacks

It is not a Muslim problem, it is a terrorist problem. Terrorism is not unique to the people who follow Islam.


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No, terrorism is not unique to those who follow Islam, I didn't say it was. But this current collection of atrocities are all perpetrated by Muslims, and there are no other groups committing mass murder. So by the continuing refusal to admit that it is a particular problem around certain Muslims, you're letting it happen.

Let's look at the groups committing mass murder of as many civilians as possible. Jemaah Islamiyaj, ISIS, al Qaeda, boko haram, ppk. They all have something in common... The Ira, eta and the like are terrorists, their actions were primarily designed to cause disruption and they nearly always have bomb warnings. The lot mentioned above are not terrorists, they are mass murderers, driven by their understanding of Islam. It is as simple as that.

 

[Englishman]

Re: Nice Attacks

Genuine question, what do you honestly think the solution is? the same sort of thing was being said about the Jewish People, not Terrorism I agree the supposed problem was more a financial one,

Care is going to be needed whatever route the Governments take.

Most of the radicalisation goes on in three arenas. Prisons, mosques and online. The third option is difficult to police, but the first two are very simple, although the powers that be are two weak, and too terrified of being called racist that they won't crack down on it.

As for terrorism coming in to the country, that comes with effective and stringent border control. The precise reason that France and Belgium have such issues are due to the fact that any terrorists coming from Africa or the Middle East, only have to get on a boat, and they'll be taken to Europe where they have free reign. It's a complete shambles.

 

[Marvo]

Re: The Nice Attack And Terrorism

Until this is tackled head on, it will continue. Regardless of what people want to admit to themselves, this is a muslim problem, where these murderous *******s subscribe to the interpretation that everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered.

If it was a blanket belief of all Muslims that 'everyone who doesn't follow exactly the same rules as they do, must be murdered' there would be hundreds of attacks and thousands of deaths on UK soil every month given that the Muslim population in the UK is close to 3 million.

The governments must take note of this. All you ever hear is people saying its a tiny minority of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion etc. but they don't do enough to combat the issue, and even after knowing that some of the Paris and Brussels terrorists came through as refugees, they still let them in with no checks.

The refugees are predominantly from areas the UK/NATO/US has been involved in military actions against in the last couple of decades. Every time a country is laid to waste or a regime change is forced by military action from the West it's a foregone conclusion there will be an influx of refugees into Europe and the UK.

 

[davesparks]

Re: Nice Attacks

No, terrorism is not unique to those who follow Islam, I didn't say it was. But this current collection of atrocities are all perpetrated by Muslims, and there are no other groups committing mass murder. So by the continuing refusal to admit that it is a particular problem around certain Muslims, you're letting it happen.

Let's look at the groups committing mass murder of as many civilians as possible. Jemaah Islamiyaj, ISIS, al Qaeda, boko haram, ppk. They all have something in common... The Ira, eta and the like are terrorists, their actions were primarily designed to cause disruption and they nearly always have bomb warnings. The lot mentioned above are not terrorists, they are mass murderers, driven by their understanding of Islam. It is as simple as that.

I am not refusing to admit that the people responsible are Muslim, I am just stating that it is not a Muslim problem.

I'm not sure exactly how terrorism is defined, and I don't think there is any difference between this incarnation of it and mass murder.

I'm sure there is a bit more to it than them being driven by their understanding (or I think more accurately misunderstanding) of Islam, there will certainly be an element of the leaders of the movements manipulating the people carrying out the atrocities.

And then there is the age old of problem of who threw the first stone?

I don't think it is as simple as anything, the problem is a lot more complex than just blaming it on a particular religion.

 

[Midwest]

Its a sad world we live in. Unfortunately doesn't need a political or religious organisation to sway a conscientious mind, those more mentally challenge get caught up in their euphoria and we are where we are. Nothing changes, just more innocents lose their lives. Seems Man's inhumanity to Man, has no boundaries.

Don't know quite what's going on here Dan, but I didn't actually start this thread, my post above was a response to someone else's, think it might have been uksparks (Nice Attacks), as you can tell as it doesn't actually as a question or invite a response? Don't mind, but thought I should point that out.

 

[Darkwood]

Don't know quite what's going on here Dan, but I didn't actually start this thread, my post above was a response to someone else's, think it might have been uksparks (Nice Attacks), as you can tell as it doesn't actually as a question or invite a response? Don't mind, but thought I should point that out.

See post 8 - Looks like MARVO has split the original thread into two to keep one for condolences and one for discussions IE the religious or political nature of the attack.

 

[Midwest]

See post 8 - Looks like MARVO has split the original thread into two to keep one for condolences and one for discussions IE the religious or political nature of the attack.

But my post, which is headlining this thread, was a response of condolence for the Nice Attack, about #3.