The use of plastic wall plugs for the 18th....

[Spoon]

I was just reading an interesting post about the 18th when the above was mentioned. there seems some debate about this. I initially thought that the idea of prohibiting the use of them was stupid, but I'm not sure now.

http://www.swaonline.co.uk/files/ww/Install Protect _ ComplyFull Document.pdf

These walldog screws look like they could strip the hole easily in some cases.

 

[netblindpaul]

Chewing asbestos is quite safe, it only causes damage when finres are inhaled.

 

[snowhead]

Chewing asbestos is quite safe, it only causes damage when finres are inhaled.

You tell the kids that nowadays, they won't have it..

 

[Pete999]

More on ally plugs - they still make them. Seems they are about 4 times the price of plastic. See more here : UCAN | Products - http://www.ucanfast.com/products/details.php?category=Mechanical+Anchors&c=6&subcategory=+Light+Duty+Anchors&sc=181&productid=112

Ally melts don't it?

 

[Pete999]

More on ally plugs - they still make them. Seems they are about 4 times the price of plastic. See more here : UCAN | Products - http://www.ucanfast.com/products/details.php?category=Mechanical+Anchors&c=6&subcategory=+Light+Duty+Anchors&sc=181&productid=112

Ally melts don't it?

 

[telectrix]

at about 660 C.

 

[Richard Burns]

Ally melts don't it?

at about 660 C.

Cant use aluminium then as it might be a fire 2 and the firefighters will be walking around in a 690°C temperature and may get molten aluminium dripped on them as well as being entangled in cables.

 

[snowhead]

Cant use aluminium then as it might be a fire 2 and the firefighters will be walking around in a 690°C temperature and may get molten aluminium dripped on them as well as being entangled in cables.

Now you're being Silly.
They won't be walking around in that temperature, they'll be running..

 

[Dillb]

Now you're being Silly.
They won't be walking around in that temperature, they'll be running..

Why will they be running? To keep warm!

 

[Selfmade]

I'm wondering about another couple of scenarios that don't seem to have been covered here:

- Cables in loft or basements that are only entered for building maintenance - are these spaces included in 'metal fixings must be used everywhere'?

- Cables fixed to exposed wood (e.g. skirting board, exposed ceiling timbers, or in a garden shed). Everyone seems to assume all walls are made of solid concrete which is actually rather rare in domestic settings. I have used metal clips fixed to wood and believe the wood would take longer to burn than a plastic, but I don't know how much longer or how the regs would apply to this.

 

[sham]

I forgot is it a code 2 or 3 if you doing an conditional report and there are no metal fire rated clips supporting the cables.

 

[sham]

I'm wondering about another couple of scenarios that don't seem to have been covered here:

- Cables in loft or basements that are only entered for building maintenance - are these spaces included in 'metal fixings must be used everywhere'?

- Cables fixed to exposed wood (e.g. skirting board, exposed ceiling timbers, or in a garden shed). Everyone seems to assume all walls are made of solid concrete which is actually rather rare in domestic settings. I have used metal clips fixed to wood and believe the wood would take longer to burn than a plastic, but I don't know how much longer or how the regs would apply to this.

This is why we have amendments, so they can make new book for more money. Blue, green, red, yellow etc. lol.

 

[Spoon]

Cables in loft or basements that are only entered for building maintenance - are these spaces included in 'metal fixings must be used everywhere'?

I'd go with Yes, as I presume that firefighters would have to search every room, in case of a fire.
"Sorry about the body in the basement, but as it was a maintenance area I thought there would be no one there, so we didn't search it." would not go down well..

 

[Midwest]

I'm wondering about another couple of scenarios that don't seem to have been covered here:

- Cables in loft or basements that are only entered for building maintenance - are these spaces included in 'metal fixings must be used everywhere'?

- Cables fixed to exposed wood (e.g. skirting board, exposed ceiling timbers, or in a garden shed). Everyone seems to assume all walls are made of solid concrete which is actually rather rare in domestic settings. I have used metal clips fixed to wood and believe the wood would take longer to burn than a plastic, but I don't know how much longer or how the regs would apply to this.

If the cables can't fall down because their failed, how can someone (or a fireman) become entrapped in them, thereby falling (forgive the pun) into the interpretation of said definition?

Like, hows a cable clipped to a skirting, gonna entrap a fireman?

 

[sparksburnout]

What about when the AMD3 board is screwed to a couple of wooden battens then? Do the battens have to have fireproof fixings?

 

[telectrix]

simple solution.... issue all firefighters with a pair of these: