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mrsparky
To this pat testing game how can you possibly test 200 300 4000 a day,these companies need reporting and the nic should be looking into this its outrageous.
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monkeyelectric
4000 a day ain't half going some
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Yeah - I rekon mrsparky just put one too many 0s in.
Today I got a reply from a potential customer I quoted for 250 items. They'd been offered the service for under £200 !! At the very least that makes 75 - 80p per item.
That was also supposed to include repacement plugtops and fuses etc. And yes - they took that offer.
How someone can provide meaningful test results and test certificates for that sort of money beats me.
Answer? They can't do !
Anyway I'm getting vertigo up on this horse so I need to climb down awhile.
Today I got a reply from a potential customer I quoted for 250 items. They'd been offered the service for under £200 !! At the very least that makes 75 - 80p per item.
That was also supposed to include repacement plugtops and fuses etc. And yes - they took that offer.
How someone can provide meaningful test results and test certificates for that sort of money beats me.
Answer? They can't do !
Anyway I'm getting vertigo up on this horse so I need to climb down awhile.
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oldtimer
Remember as they say once you are registered you can basically do what you want and the longer you get away with it the more chance you will not be pulled up because it makes the people who police it look bad and you dont want to use those guys who work on their own because their not big like us.
Ironically we one man bands are more thorough and do the job right by the book so we are not open to criticism but yor right if a pat test takes 5 minutes and you have all the equiment lined up next to each other then thats 5 x 4000 -60 = 333.33 hours a good day would be 5 x12 = 60 so 8 hours no breaks = 96 items at £1 or £2 pounds each
Ironically we one man bands are more thorough and do the job right by the book so we are not open to criticism but yor right if a pat test takes 5 minutes and you have all the equiment lined up next to each other then thats 5 x 4000 -60 = 333.33 hours a good day would be 5 x12 = 60 so 8 hours no breaks = 96 items at £1 or £2 pounds each
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maddfridge
hi there
To many qualified electrical installers pat testing at the lowley end of the food chain
in these times more would see this as an alternative income wack out a few and get paid easy money
things may pick up again and leave to the rest of you lot
seen this time and time again
customer will take lowest price obvious
cheers
all and happy pat testing your poor lot lol
To many qualified electrical installers pat testing at the lowley end of the food chain
in these times more would see this as an alternative income wack out a few and get paid easy money
things may pick up again and leave to the rest of you lot
seen this time and time again
customer will take lowest price obvious
cheers
all and happy pat testing your poor lot lol
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Not really sure if a response is warranted for this thread as those of us at the “lowley (lowly) end of the food chain” would not be worthy.
It’s a good job that those who provide a decent service don’t “wack (whack) out” their PAT testing, and once things pick up and qualified electrical installers return to their wacky ways, us poor lot will be able to continue to make a decent living.
It’s a good job that those who provide a decent service don’t “wack (whack) out” their PAT testing, and once things pick up and qualified electrical installers return to their wacky ways, us poor lot will be able to continue to make a decent living.
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oldtimer
Lets not kid ourselves on here there is no such thing as easy money it may look like that sometimes but as the discussion above people are trying to make an honest crust but are getting squeezed out by coperate Britian by people who do make easy money because they cut corners also look at the ne AA home repair adverts John Cleese picks up a local directory and his "daughter" says Dad dont bother with those cowboys phone the AA. I would like to add PAT testing on to the services I provide but I cannot afford to buy a tester keep it calibrated and cannot use it because I am priced out of the market
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MarkieSparkie
We all recognise the game being played by these people, low quote to get this years business in the hope they can push the price up each subsequent year without the customer squealing, because they're gambling on having established a relationship between tester and client at just the time when the economy is on the up and they are less likely to under-cut by similar cowboys.
A lot of nieve soles tried this in the last recession and got burnt. We can only hope!
A lot of nieve soles tried this in the last recession and got burnt. We can only hope!
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oldtimer
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oldtimer
Problem is that Joe Public now expects low prices because he actually thought he was getting a proper service in the first place
I could Rant on this topic
how can a 1 man band afford to do the job Properly for this price,
Unless he does a long long day onsite probably working for way less than the min wage.
His outgoings at first glance might seem minimal but in reality are quite high v the the rewards.
One of these days i am going to sit down and work out exactly the cost of doing say 50 pat jobs a year roughly one a week i bet you that the cost of doing each of those visits would be more than 75p per test.
rant rant
72-van
how can a 1 man band afford to do the job Properly for this price,
Unless he does a long long day onsite probably working for way less than the min wage.
His outgoings at first glance might seem minimal but in reality are quite high v the the rewards.
One of these days i am going to sit down and work out exactly the cost of doing say 50 pat jobs a year roughly one a week i bet you that the cost of doing each of those visits would be more than 75p per test.
rant rant
72-van
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oldtimer
OK look at it this way a big company has to pay wages , NI, Pension,transport yet they still can cut the prices so how can they do that easy the job is not getting done by the book and there is no one to pilice them and even if there was they would go out of business and start up a new company in a heartbeat and we as a country allow this as I have said to the letting agent I do work for if you want me to do PIRs and PAT testing then I will do it right but I cannot do it for the prices you get them for. Ironically I get more work out of this and one example was a burnt out cable and fuseholder on a fuseboard mind you they had the brains not to put their company sticker on the burn marks of the DB
Four computers on a group of back to back desks
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 1 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor1 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 2 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor2 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 3 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor3 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 4lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor4 lead from 4 way extension lead
disconnect the 2 * 4 way extension leads
Avoid the hand bags boots high heels and lwaste paper bins
Bash your heed a few times on sharp corners n screws under the desks just for the fun .
Loose the last bits of carilege in your knee caps trying to get the 4way plug oot the wall .
check each of these leads fuses are the correct rating--probably change third of these to correct rating.
Examine the leads for kinks breaks nicks other misc damage ,check the leads at 25a
Examine the leads for kinks breaks nicks other misc damage,Check the four way extension leads.
Advise them that the 3kw electric fire thats keeping there feet toasty which some one fetched in from the hoose with a dodgy plug on it should really be plugged straight into a wall socket and not a 4 way extension the office manager got free when he filled up with petrol and at same time recommend that these 4ways whilst just ok really should be replaced by a quality item.write these remarks down for your final printed report.
test monitor 1
test monitor 2
test monitor 3
test monitor 4
test pc 1
test pc 2
test pc 3
test pc 4
All at 100mA
REConnect the customers leads 100% tidier than they were routing them safely.
So far you have done 8 lead test,8 appliance tests,2 ext lds and probably found several class2 phone chargers that are nowt to do with the site but should be tested so lets say another 2.
20 tests min for a bank of 4pc's
Its cost so far 20 stickers at say 10p= £2.00
its cost say 4 fuses at 12p= £0.48
its cost say 1 plug at 80p = £0.80
its cost say 1 uee 5a pc ld 99p= £0.99 coz one ld had a nick in the insulation ,better safe.
Assuming this is being done when the office is shut and they are not trying to keep working on there equipment ...oh the joys ...come back in half an hour ...oh laters...
it would have taken me i am guessing the best part of two hours at which point the office manager comes back and says the last lad had the whole office done by this time ....
so for my 2hrs its cost me
£5.07 in bits
£5,00 absolute min to come to the job in fuel
£3.00 for lunch/dinner/supper which ever the case may be.
£13 say luck for some...
20 tests at 75p= £1500
WOW i have made a £1 an hour , sorry 75p after tax
Which in reality will be even less because these tests will need downloading ,printing off into a pretty folder which will probably take the best part of an hour.Then postage back to the site ..
Easier just throwing your moneyaway than to do pat testing for them at 75p /test ???
which payment they might decide to give you after the usual three month period...
RANT RANT
72-van
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 1 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor1 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 2 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor2 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 3 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor3 lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the pc 4lead from 4 way extension lead
Crawl about on the floor cut cable ties and remove the monitor4 lead from 4 way extension lead
disconnect the 2 * 4 way extension leads
Avoid the hand bags boots high heels and lwaste paper bins
Bash your heed a few times on sharp corners n screws under the desks just for the fun .
Loose the last bits of carilege in your knee caps trying to get the 4way plug oot the wall .
check each of these leads fuses are the correct rating--probably change third of these to correct rating.
Examine the leads for kinks breaks nicks other misc damage ,check the leads at 25a
Examine the leads for kinks breaks nicks other misc damage,Check the four way extension leads.
Advise them that the 3kw electric fire thats keeping there feet toasty which some one fetched in from the hoose with a dodgy plug on it should really be plugged straight into a wall socket and not a 4 way extension the office manager got free when he filled up with petrol and at same time recommend that these 4ways whilst just ok really should be replaced by a quality item.write these remarks down for your final printed report.
test monitor 1
test monitor 2
test monitor 3
test monitor 4
test pc 1
test pc 2
test pc 3
test pc 4
All at 100mA
REConnect the customers leads 100% tidier than they were routing them safely.
So far you have done 8 lead test,8 appliance tests,2 ext lds and probably found several class2 phone chargers that are nowt to do with the site but should be tested so lets say another 2.
20 tests min for a bank of 4pc's
Its cost so far 20 stickers at say 10p= £2.00
its cost say 4 fuses at 12p= £0.48
its cost say 1 plug at 80p = £0.80
its cost say 1 uee 5a pc ld 99p= £0.99 coz one ld had a nick in the insulation ,better safe.
Assuming this is being done when the office is shut and they are not trying to keep working on there equipment ...oh the joys ...come back in half an hour ...oh laters...
it would have taken me i am guessing the best part of two hours at which point the office manager comes back and says the last lad had the whole office done by this time ....
so for my 2hrs its cost me
£5.07 in bits
£5,00 absolute min to come to the job in fuel
£3.00 for lunch/dinner/supper which ever the case may be.
£13 say luck for some...
20 tests at 75p= £1500
WOW i have made a £1 an hour , sorry 75p after tax
Which in reality will be even less because these tests will need downloading ,printing off into a pretty folder which will probably take the best part of an hour.Then postage back to the site ..
Easier just throwing your moneyaway than to do pat testing for them at 75p /test ???
which payment they might decide to give you after the usual three month period...
RANT RANT
72-van
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golfpaul
You're being fleeced...
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longshanks
All that stuff could be classed as a bad day at the office, but what about the good days when everything is in front of you and no scrambling around under tables etc etc.
I have recently started work for a firm (dare not mention them on here) and can comfortably check around 150 - 200 appliances daily, this depends on accesability to appliances and cables and plugs and yes crawling under desks is not very nice but it doesn't take me 5 mins to check appliances,
Reading all this stuff i must be doing stuff wrong but everything i do i was taught on my Pat Testing course
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