This area seems grey, can you are can't you? Part P.

[Old Town Electrics]

Hi guys, its seems everyone has differing opinions on this, including myself. From my research it seems pretty obvious that you can only carry out electrical work on somebodys house if you are part of a part p electrical scheme.
From reading the forums and speaking to local electricians it seems many think its ok to carry out non-notifiable works. A local NICEIC electrician actually told me its fine to do this kind of work.
I'm just confused as from my research it seems all work needs an electrical certificate whether it be major or minor, and to do this properly you really need to test the circuit once completed on all works? Is this just impracticle and actually on most works you just go round add the new socket and move on?
I've noticed that alot of the local electricians aren't registered with anyone so are they all breaking the law? I've spoke to various working electricians who state part P qualified with 17th regs, but when you quiz them they are not registered with anyone. Does this mean that about 50% of electricians are working illegally in the UK? Im guessing that when these non registered electricians do work they don't produce a certificate because this would essentially be providing evidence against themselves that they have done work illegally?
Would love to get to the bottom of this as i'd love to get cracking on some non-notifiable works if it was ok to do so,or is it just a grey area and always will be??

 

[rolyberkin]

Competent is easy to explain or justify until someone gets injured and you are 'gripping the rail' in crown court being questioned by some barrister who is being paid 5k a day just to destroy your credibility. Think worst case scenario and you won't go far wrong, what would the average man on the Clapham omnibus think.....!

 

[The Ghost]

Of course my learned friend rolyberkin refers to the officious bystander immortalised in the case of Thompson v US, called the man in the red clapham omnibus, i.e. the average man of reasonable intelligence

 

[rolyberkin]

Of course my learned friend rolyberkin refers to the officious bystander immortalised in the case of Thompson v US, called the man in the red clapham omnibus, i.e. the average man of reasonable intelligence

Not sure about the US case but it is still a concept used in the English legal system to this day. Probably more of relevance is the case of Hall v. Brooklands Auto-Racing Club (1933) to define the standard of care a defendant must live up to in order to avoid being found negligent. When we say an area is grey it probably isn't as far as the law is concerned, we just say it is to suit our purposes, this is fine until it goes wrong and we are held to account.

Professional negligence in English Law

 

[Wilko]

Hello and Good morning ! Yes, to me its not a grey area at all. The standards we work to call for a skilled person and in my view the first place to demonstrate one possesses sufficient skills should not be in front of a judge after an incident. After recent refreshing I am aware of what I know, and what I need to confirm. Without training I wouldn't know what I didn't know, if that makes any sense prior to coffee. Cheers, David

 

[The Ghost]

I would say that being CPS certified and having experience does not always mean that work will be done as it should. I have come across many instances of very poor standard of work. I mean criminally negligent work by allegedly skilled persons issuing EIC on their work. Such as a catering business called me saying I can smell a burny smell and my ovens are not working. Their MCB for the ring circuit had literally melted down. The reason being ; Two industrial ovens at 6kw each and one dishwasher at 10 kw were wired onto the ring. Although I could rectify this I told the person to get the electrician in who certified the work and insist they correct it. They did come and and did do it properly this time. And that is by no means the first time such a situation has occured.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Is that the sequel?

Yes and this time its bites back
(I get lost on the nymbera , 76 the year I was born and 72 the year my sis was born, your trying to make her a year older making me calling it BS7671)