tutor vacancies!?!?

[Greg:]

I had a recent chat with a staff member at a "learning centre" (trying not to be specific here) and the topic of staff recruitment came up. Apparently they don't get a high quantity and sustained quality of candidates when taking on electrics tutors.

Any ideas why this is and what's going on?

 

[johnboy6083]

because the money probably isnt very good! also i doubt if there is any chance of an early shoot, and no overtime. I also reckon that there is a lot of prep work and marking ect that they dont get paid for.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Lecturer's holidays are pretty good - 50 days a year included statutory holidays, is the maximum.

Its rare that you will get someone who is vocationally competent and has the personal, teaching skills required to tutor caged animals.

Most training centres are looking for a punch bag to absorb punishment while the training management looks towards their productivity bonuses.

 

[Greg:]

because the money probably isnt very good!

Serious question though - how very would it need to be?

It's not something I've researched but here's some random ad. quotes:

Electrical Tutor

Location:
Pontefract (WF7) View map

Salary: £26,000+ commensurate Date posted: 11/11/2011 12:05Job typeermanent Company: Apprenticeship Training Limited Contact: Human Resources Ref: Totaljobs/Electrical Tutor - Featherstone Job ID: 51920155

Lecturer - Electrical Installations

£22,857 to £30,726 plus £598 College Weighting.
The closing date for the position Lecturer - Electrical Installations has now passed.


AND

Lecturer's holidays are pretty good - 50 days a year included statutory holidays, is the maximum.

but yes, it would be nice if tutors did regular, prelesson prep work. Marking? Really?.

 

[telectrix]

i can do that. gizza job.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Serious question though - how very would it need to be?

It's not something I've researched but here's some random ad. quotes:

Electrical Tutor

Location:
Pontefract (WF7) View map

Salary: £26,000+ commensurate Date posted: 11/11/2011 12:05Job typeermanent Company: Apprenticeship Training Limited Contact: Human Resources Ref: Totaljobs/Electrical Tutor - Featherstone Job ID: 51920155

Lecturer - Electrical Installations

£22,857 to £30,726 plus £598 College Weighting.
The closing date for the position Lecturer - Electrical Installations has now passed.


AND


but yes, it would be nice if tutors did regular, prelesson prep work. Marking? Really?.

Well, I agree. Tutors who do not
1/ prepare adequately,
2/ assess fairly and impartially,
3/ submit coursework and assignments fraudulently
4/ play politics with other members of staff
5/ wind up students to cause disruption in others classes
6/ bugger off on holiday when they are contracted to work

and

Students who do not
1/ lie when accusing members of staff of poor assessment
2/ complain about their assessment because they haven't the self-awareness or intelligence
3/ expect to be forced fed with the answers to every question
4/ do homework assignment set to help them understand previously taught principles
5/ Turn up for classes on time and refrain from executive lunch breaks
6/ Turn up on a regular basis rather than, as one student was heard to say, "Well, name of tutor withheld, I've decided to leave your class." When asked why, the answer was, " I've decided to go into full-time drugs !

So it could be argued that it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other

I can feel steam coming out of my ears !

 

[solway-energy]

hello chaps its my first post, i am an electrical tutor based in the northwest, i have been a tutor now for 2 years this being my third season, it is a great job and compared to the tools a lot more less demanding, how ever it is very stresfull and pressured at times.
i am entitled t 45 days holiday but with reading and study days along with some industrial uplift you can see the high end of 50 days paid holiday per year!

wages are low considering the qualifications needed to be considered for an interview, i ask with 50 days off per year how much could you guys still make on the side? £5,000...£10,000???

have a go its a great career choice.

 

[Greg:]

Students who ...
1/ lie when accusing members of staff of poor assessment
2/ complain about their assessment because they haven't the self-awareness or intelligence
3/ expect to be forced fed with the answers to every question
4/ do homework assignment set to help them understand previously taught principles
5/ Turn up for classes on time and refrain from executive lunch breaks
6/ Turn up on a regular basis rather than, as one student was heard to say, "Well, name of tutor withheld, I've decided to leave your class." When asked why, the answer was, " I've decided to go into full-time drugs !

I'd imagine that teachers may be faced with extremes at times but, for the sake of all the committed, fee paying students out there, I'd hope this doesn't prevent people applying.

it is a great job

Tutors are there to tutor
and students are there learn.

I'm done with "stewing".
Ackbarthestar's example of steaming seems a lot more positive.

 

[ian.settle1]

Lecturer's holidays are pretty good - 50 days a year included statutory holidays, is the maximum.

Its rare that you will get someone who is vocationally competent and has the personal, teaching skills required to tutor caged animals.

Most training centres are looking for a punch bag to absorb punishment while the training management looks towards their productivity bonuses.

Yeh the holidays may be good but what are you going to spend during all this time off if you don't get the money ?

 

[the pict]

My wife a teacher of chemistry, has a saying, a good teacher must be able answer more quetions than they ask, a skill in my experiance not a lot of lecturers have
Pict

 

[ackbarthestar]

My wife a teacher of chemistry, has a saying, a good teacher must be able answer more quetions than they ask, a skill in my experiance not a lot of lecturers have
Pict

I would wholeheartedly agree, but you have first got to get the rascals sitting down and listening, then they need time to reference it all, difficult when its time for their drugs; Where on Maslow's pyramid of hierarchical needs would you expect to find most failed GCSE students?


Generally, question and and answer is probably one method of teaching that works well with those who have something to lose and those who want to learn.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Yeh the holidays may be good but what are you going to spend during all this time off if you don't get the money ?

Ian.settle, how long have you got, I could fill the next 170 years if somone would hand me a pittance to get by on !

Seriously, you don't need much to have a great day every day, its all about ones perspective. sip that guiness don't gulp it!

 

[tutorsteve]

I came off the tools quite recently to go into lecturing and it is definitely a eye opener. The money is pretty crap and it takes alot of energy and balls to stand infront of 16-19 year olds who see college as a doss.
Saying that i am enjoying the challenge and being in a classroom does beat a cold building site in winter.

 

[ackbarthestar]

I came off the tools quite recently to go into lecturing and it is definitely a eye opener. The money is pretty crap and it takes alot of energy and balls to stand infront of 16-19 year olds who see college as a doss.
Saying that i am enjoying the challenge and being in a classroom does beat a cold building site in winter.

After several years of teaching, I still think its an honourable profession to be able to get ideas across and watch the lights turn on.
However, wait for the petty professional jealousies and back biting and political manoeuvrings and you will soon find your energies absorbed up in stupidity.

 

[tutorsteve]

Must admit i have started to see that side of teaching and i am trying to steer clear of the office politics. At least on the tools you sorted out any problems in a more direct manner shall i say. I agree it is good to see the lads get it, especially with the maths and science stuff. Is your college delivering the new 2357 diploma yet?