Un earthed lighting

[chalky06]

Hi all, as has frequently been pointed out the customer is always right!!!! The lighting is on the old twin (no earth) and according to customer I can just attach some new cable to this for his new lights he wants putting up in different locations. In my eyes morally and professionally wrong as he is refusing a re wire even after the points of safety and current have been pointed out!! am about to tell him to find some one else who is willing to do it. Any one have any more ammunition on this??

 

[telectrix]

i assume that his new lights are classI, if so, then no way without a cpc. either a rewire or a sinle cpc from CU to each point 2.5mm if protected, 4.0mm if not. otherwise, tell the idiot to do one.

 

[chalky06]

Oh no wont be a class one. He may see sence if if his missus hears conversation!

 

[Richard Burns]

IF the lights are class II then you can fit them but must label the CU indicating which circuits have no cpc and that class I fitting must not be used.

 

[telectrix]

from the OP , i understand that the customer wants additional lights fitting, so even so, wiring to these must include a cpc, even if they are classII.

411.3.1.1.

 

[chalky06]

Sorry, my mistake, new lights will be a class 1

 

[telectrix]

then if he won't pay to have the job done right, walk away.

 

[chalky06]

Will see him again this week, put it to him and willowy you know outcome.
Thanks for thoughts

 

[jon090]

If theres origionally a class1 light fitting in a circuit with no cpc, is a straight swap allowed if thats what the customer wants, even after being explained the issues?

 

[telectrix]

not on my watch, it isn't. think about it. if you swap that fitting witout adding a cpc and earthing the metalwork, customer goes to change a lamp /bulb, gets a shock, who's up before the judge?????

 

[jon090]

Just makes me think how fittings could be like that for years having no earth in the first place.. Why would they have wired up bulidings like that from the start?

 

[plugsandsparks]

Considering the quality of light fittings nowadays, i would not even contemplate fitting a class 1 , not even in my own house. In the old days fittings were 2 wire pendants so nowhere for an earth anyway.
The customer is NOT always right but the customer is always the customer.
P&S 2010.

 

[chalky06]

Well the house was built long before electricity was thought of and when installed and upgraded years ago acceptable

 

[stuartcourt]

As Telectrix said if it goes wrong a ----- like that will point you straight out be carefull there and professional

 

[chalky06]

Am also thinking that the lights will have no point to earth them on, a connection for cpc will need to be soldered on