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OK but have you tried it? No
I think I will just get it wired in and test it with a simple on off switch and see
How long it stays warm.. Also have a high wattage matting... If its stays warm until late afternoon I will be happy and it will cost next to nothing as economy seven is so cheap?
If it doesn't work then I can get it wired with normal supply and metre etc?
Did you test this out? I'm still unsure of the most economical way to operate my UFH with the economy 7 meter the builder installed. Be interested in your test results. Does the floor retain enough heat during the day from it being switched on at night when electric is at it's most cheapest? Thanks
 
Alot depends on how it's installed... i.e. do you have enough thermal mass to play with. Normal electric UFH is not designed to work this way.
 
A builder built my house, so I have no idea what thermal mass even is ?but you probably suspected that!) I have heard talk that UFH retains the heat well esp if you have good insulatio in the building. I'm hoping I can switch it on for a few hours at the cheap rate (as it takes a long time to warm) and it will retain a temperature comfortable enough to not need the an extra heater during the day/eve? ?‍♀️?‍♂️?‍♀️
 
Retaining heat and the type of heating source are different things. A well insulated building will retain heat regardless of where that heat came from.
Also, a big slab of concrete will indeed contain quite a bit of heat - but then the heat input to the room from that slab is uncontrolled. In some respects, the worst thing is a big heavy slab because it stores a lot of heat so it can't be turned down quickly. That's a problem with night storage heaters, because even though they have a damper to control air flow based on room temperature, to give the best results they need adjusting every day to suit expected heat demand for the following day - otherwise you either under-heat on cold days or over-heat on hot days.
Similarly, with a big heavy slab, yes you can store heat from off-peak lecky. But unless the room heat loss doesn't drop below the heat input rate from the slab to the room, then you'll end up with the room too hot. In practical terms you'll get more heat in the room in the morning (slab is hot), and less in the evening when it's typically most needed in a domestic environment because the slab will already have lost some of it's heat. Of course, a really massive slab will lose less temperature during the day for a given heat loss - but the flipside is that control operates over an even longer timescale.

As others have said, you may be better storing (at least some of your heat) in a wet system that can be easily controlled to output the heat where you want it when you want it. But that does need quite a large tank of water.

If you have rooms with a significant solar input (big windows, especially south facing) then you'll have serious over-heating problems (on sunny days) with a big slab of heated concrete.
 
Retaining heat and the type of heating source are different things. A well insulated building will retain heat regardless of where that heat came from.
Also, a big slab of concrete will indeed contain quite a bit of heat - but then the heat input to the room from that slab is uncontrolled. In some respects, the worst thing is a big heavy slab because it stores a lot of heat so it can't be turned down quickly. That's a problem with night storage heaters, because even though they have a damper to control air flow based on room temperature, to give the best results they need adjusting every day to suit expected heat demand for the following day - otherwise you either under-heat on cold days or over-heat on hot days.
Similarly, with a big heavy slab, yes you can store heat from off-peak lecky. But unless the room heat loss doesn't drop below the heat input rate from the slab to the room, then you'll end up with the room too hot. In practical terms you'll get more heat in the room in the morning (slab is hot), and less in the evening when it's typically most needed in a domestic environment because the slab will already have lost some of it's heat. Of course, a really massive slab will lose less temperature during the day for a given heat loss - but the flipside is that control operates over an even longer timescale.

As others have said, you may be better storing (at least some of your heat) in a wet system that can be easily controlled to output the heat where you want it when you want it. But that does need quite a large tank of water.

If you have rooms with a significant solar input (big windows, especially south facing) then you'll have serious over-heating problems (on sunny days) with a big slab of heated concrete.

Retaining heat and the type of heating source are different things. A well insulated building will retain heat regardless of where that heat came from.
Also, a big slab of concrete will indeed contain quite a bit of heat - but then the heat input to the room from that slab is uncontrolled. In some respects, the worst thing is a big heavy slab because it stores a lot of heat so it can't be turned down quickly. That's a problem with night storage heaters, because even though they have a damper to control air flow based on room temperature, to give the best results they need adjusting every day to suit expected heat demand for the following day - otherwise you either under-heat on cold days or over-heat on hot days.
Similarly, with a big heavy slab, yes you can store heat from off-peak lecky. But unless the room heat loss doesn't drop below the heat input rate from the slab to the room, then you'll end up with the room too hot. In practical terms you'll get more heat in the room in the morning (slab is hot), and less in the evening when it's typically most needed in a domestic environment because the slab will already have lost some of it's heat. Of course, a really massive slab will lose less temperature during the day for a given heat loss - but the flipside is that control operates over an even longer timescale.

As others have said, you may be better storing (at least some of your heat) in a wet system that can be easily controlled to output the heat where you want it when you want it. But that does need quite a large tank of water.

If you have rooms with a significant solar input (big windows, especially south facing) then you'll have serious over-heating problems (on sunny days) with a big slab of thanks.
 
Yes, solar input is (often) welcome.
But not when you know you've spent a fortune on heating up that big slab of concrete and now have the windows open to get rid of the heat. And that's where any sort of uncontrolled (or poorly controlled) heat input fails - you end up with too much heat and end up throwing some of it away.

With controllable heating - e.g. traditional radiators or UFH without a huge thermal mass - you turn off the heat sources (or the controls do it automatically) when there's other heat coming in. But you can't do that when the controlled heat input was done yesterday - hence my comment that storage heaters really need adjusting every day for tomorrow's demands.
 

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