unswitched socket outlets on a pir

[vitoboy]

hi all
just wondering what you all would put for a pir when the domestic install has a number of unswitched sockets.
these are not controlled by a spur or 20dp switch.
is unplugging enough to be classed as isolation.

ta
vitoboy

 

[Octopus]

No comment on PIR.

 

[ian.settle1]

Nothing wrong with having them.

Why would you comment on them?

 

[RWJ]

As per previous answers.... Fine.... I don't see an issue...

You can still buy them MK, Crabtree and the like still make them they still comply with BS1363...

Do most people still use them for Cooker Hoods??

 

[Smugley]

BRB Table 53.2 lists plug and unswitched socket outlet to BS1363-1/2 as suitable for both isolation and functional switching.

 

[sparky1ste]

i would advise customer that anything plugged in needs to be a plug top with the insulated sleeve on it so you can't get a shock! If nothing else it may get you extra work looking on the safety side of things

 

[RWJ]

i would advise customer that anything plugged in needs to be a plug top with the insulated sleeve on it so you can't get a shock! If nothing else it may get you extra work looking on the safety side of things

insulated sleeve????...... It's probably RWJ being dense again!! (Think I'm gonna quit to be honest!!! lol)

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Could comment that you advise the socket-outlets not be used for high load appliances.

 

[malcolmsanford]

insulated sleeve????...... It's probably RWJ being dense again!! (Think I'm gonna quit to be honest!!! lol)

The old 13amp plug top of about 20 yrs ago never had half the LIVE/NEUTRAL pins insulated like the modern ones have, so you had all 3 pins of Brass,

In theory it was possible if the appliance was still on load, to get a shock by touching the bare brass of the pin, while it could technically still be in contact with the socket, when trying to un-plug, so since about the mid 90's most plugs have the insulated pins.

 

[RWJ]

The old 13amp plug top of about 20 yrs ago never had half the LIVE/NEUTRAL pins insulated like the modern ones have, so you had all 3 pins of Brass,

In theory it was possible if the appliance was still on load, to get a shock by touching the bare brass of the pin, while it could technically still be in contact with the socket, when trying to un-plug, so since about the mid 90's most plugs have the insulated pins.

Right... With you.... That's what I thought he meant....

You mean the plugs the cheap "sticker merchant" PAT testers pass!!!

 

[malcolmsanford]

Right... With you.... That's what I thought he meant....

You mean the plugs the cheap "sticker merchant" PAT testers pass!!!

I couldn't find on google a picture of the older un-insualted type which would have saved me time lol..............................

 

[Adam W]

Actually there's no requirement to replace them, you just can't supply new equipment with them or retrofit them to old equipment.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Actually there's no requirement to replace them, you just can't supply new equipment with them or retrofit them to old equipment.

As I have the COP on my desk just looked that up .......yes on page 128, and even shows you a picture which I could not find