Use for 1.5mm shaver wire

[SiJohn]

Hello all. I have renovated my bathroom and have no use for the shaver/light unit.
I disconnected the unit and pulled the wire (1.5mm) into the attic where I put into a coffin box.
Is there any thing useful I can use this for in the attic?
For example can I use this supply for a lighting fixture in the attic?
Or even as to connect a socket to it.
As it’s only 1.5mm I am worried that it would not be suitable for a socket unless perhaps I put a fuse before the socket.
Any help appreciated thanks

 

[westward10]

The use of a BS1363 accessory on a lighting circuit was for the purpose of a luminaire coupler in other words the means of connecting a light fitting. One amendment of the 16th Ed removed BS1363 from the list but it was later reinstated. I see no issue with repurposing this cable for use as a socket provided suitable protection is in place even though it isn't the purpose as stated in BS7671.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

And assuming it has correct protection what’s the worst that’ll happen if someone did decide to pop up with an extension lead to run 2 heaters and a mig welder? ?

The worst that can happen is the someone thinks what idiot put a 3a fuse in a FCU feeding a 13a socket and replaces it with a 13a one and then plugs in his equipment causing a blackout/

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Dear @GeorgeCooke (aka Winston, banalsheds)

please don’t start this diatribe on yet another forum. As you know very well, BS7671 specifically lists a BS1363 socket as one of the accessories that may be attached to a lighting radial circuit.
We all know that your view of things differs to the regulations (a document that you have admitted that you do not even possess).
If you want to change the regs, then get yourself on the Joint IET/BSI Technical Committee JPEL/64 and make your thinking appear in print.
otherwise it is what it is. Stop bleating.

Don't know who Winston and banalsheds are but I have already explained that I know it is allowed and that it is a reg that is so wrong and why. To quote a term “engineering judgement”, use it and you will understand why it is so wrong.

@westword10. One amendment of the 16th Ed removed BS1363 from the list but it was later reinstated.

Didn't know that, wonder why it was reinstated

 

[westward10]

Don't know who Winston and banalsheds are but I have already explained that I know it is allowed and that it is a reg that is so wrong and why. To quote a term “engineering judgement”, use it and you will understand why it is so wrong.

@westword10. One amendment of the 16th Ed removed BS1363 from the list but it was later reinstated.

Didn't know that, wonder why it was reinstated

People complained as it was a common method for connecting warehouse lighting etc..

 

[Dartlec]

In domestic outside the loft I've occasionally installed the round pin 5A sockets/plugs for lamps (often on a dimmer) - though nothing to stop an ingenious idiot fitting that plug to their mig welder of course... At least it adds one extra layer of effort to put people off.

 

[westward10]

First pic from 16th Ed has no mention of sockets, another version does. Later copies quote BS numbers.

 

[Strima]

Sadly the vast majority of TV antenna boosters come with a pre-moulded power supply with integral BS1363 pins, hence the need for a socket outlet taken from a lighting circuit. If manufacturers supplied items with a flex then this would negate the need for a socket outlet in this instance.

 

[Taylortwocities]

The use of a BS1363 accessory on a lighting circuit was for the purpose of a luminaire coupler in other words the means of connecting a light fitting. One amendment of the 16th Ed removed BS1363 from the list but it was later reinstated. I see no issue with repurposing this cable for use as a socket provided suitable protection is in place even though it isn't the purpose as stated in BS7671.

Thank you, Westie. Your input did, for a minute, make me doubt the purpose for the inclusion of sockets on lighting circuits in T'regs. And my view on this.
I thought, perhaps, I had been wrong about this and the intention of the regs is for specific lighting plug and socket systems such as the Hager/Click plug-in ceiling rose. But these conform to BS6972 (also the later BS7001) and these are specifically also specified as one of the permitted attachments in BS7671.
The inclusion of (specifically) socket to BS1363 (described as a "suitable" socket) can only mean these are permitted. There is no qualification in the regs other than the word "suitable".
By this I can only assume that its down to us electricians to decide that we wouldn't install a BS1363 socket from a lighting circuit in the loft if there was any danger of George's wife getting up there to plug in the hot tub.

 

[Baddegg]

The worst that can happen is the someone thinks what idiot put a 3a fuse in a FCU feeding a 13a socket and replaces it with a 13a one and then plugs in his equipment causing a blackout/

So someone puts a 13a fuse in a fcu marked “lighting 3A ONLY”......I’d say they deserve to sit in the dark wouldn’t you? ?......who is the genuine idiot in that scenario chris?

 

[Dartlec]

So someone puts a 13a fuse in a fcu marked “lighting 3A ONLY”......I’d say they deserve to sit in the dark wouldn’t you? ?......who is the genuine idiot in that scenario chris?

Unfortunately, there is no shortage of idiots - otherwise we wouldn't have to put the 'two colours' sticker everywhere

 

[GeorgeCooke]

So someone puts a 13a fuse in a fcu marked “lighting 3A ONLY”......I’d say they deserve to sit in the dark wouldn’t you? ?......who is the genuine idiot in that scenario chris?

But it is supplying a 13a socket. So the obvious assumption is that it is mislabelled.

 

[Baddegg]

Unfortunately, there is no shortage of idiots - otherwise we wouldn't have to put the 'two colours' sticker everywhere

His argument is a little flawed isn’t it ?.....ultimate conclusion is what is to actually stop anyone from taking the 6a mcb/rcbo and popping a 50 in there, that’s stopped the tripping issue ??......sometimes @GeorgeCooke we have to step back and let Darwin do his thing!

 

[GeorgeCooke]

People complained as it was a common method for connecting warehouse lighting etc..

So the IET caved in to warehouse installers who wanted to operate a dangerous practice instead of using the correct plug and socket such as a BS546 5amp one.

My faith in the IET has just gone down several notches.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Sadly the vast majority of TV antenna boosters come with a pre-moulded power supply with integral BS1363 pins, hence the need for a socket outlet taken from a lighting circuit. If manufacturers supplied items with a flex then this would negate the need for a socket outlet in this instance.

Why does that mean there is a "need" for a socket from the lighting circuit? It needs a socket from the ring or 16a radial.

There is no reason why aerial installers cannot choose boosters with power supplies that are not wall worts and changing the plug.

 

[Dartlec]

His argument is a little flawed isn’t it ?.....ultimate conclusion is what is to actually stop anyone from taking the 6a mcb/rcbo and popping a 50 in there, that’s stopped the tripping issue ??......sometimes @GeorgeCooke we have to step back and let Darwin do his thing!

The issue would come where there was a potential danger from the aforementioned idiot doing his thing - and whether that could reasonably be foreseen.

In this case, I don't think there would be an actual danger, just an inconvenience.