Used Rcbo's Yay or nay??

[TheCodboy]

Been asked to carry out some bathroom work including new spots, underfloor heating etc. The existing DB is an old Square D board with no rcd protection at all. Customer wont pay for a new DB, and ive priced a drop in rcbo....... £177 each. Passed this info on to the home owner, and hes complaining (surprise). He's asked me about used ones from eBay etc. Normally i would just say no but there's a few quid in the bathroom works so im trying to find asolution. So, the big question.... Used rcbo yes or no?? I did explain to the home owner that i could offer no guarantee whatsoever for the rcbo if purchased second hand.

 

[Charlie_]

Is it feasible to put a small consumer unit next to the existing board?

 

[TheCodboy]

Is it feasible to put a small consumer unit next to the existing board?

I did think of that,but the cupboard its in is already quite cramped. What is really getting on my nerves is the fact i know how much he's spending on the en suite and bathroom,and hes twisting on about £177!!

 

[mattg4321]

I'd sooner swap the CU for new than spend that sort of money on 1 RCBO!

 

[TheCodboy]

I'd sooner swap the CU for new than spend that sort of money on 1 RCBO!

That was my thinking!

 

[telectrix]

ebay RCBO. fit and test. sorted.

 

[mattg4321]

ebay RCBO. fit and test. sorted.

Tend to agree in this case.

 

[TheCodboy]

ebay RCBO. fit and test. sorted.

And agree with no guarantee due to the fact its used?

 

[Charlie_]

Are you installing new circuits or will it just be a minor works job?

 

[TheCodboy]

Are you installing new circuits or will it just be a minor works job?

Breaking into ring and using Rcd fcu for the underfloor heating.Using existing lighting circuit, and installing new flexes for the spots.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Say this 3 times infront of the mirror before buying any materials

Check Ebay Check Ebay Check Ebay

 

[westward10]

Breaking into ring and using Rcd fcu for the underfloor heating.Using existing lighting circuit, and installing new flexes for the spots.

According to the 18th Ed an rcd spur is not listed as a device for providing additional protection.

 

[TheCodboy]

Say this 3 times infront of the mirror before buying any materials

Check Ebay Check Ebay Check Ebay

I did ask the guy at Parks if the price of the Rcbo included him fitting it.... Original i know.

 

[TheCodboy]

According to the 18th Ed an rcd spur is not listed as a device for providing additional protection.

I wasnt too sure, but tech support at Stroma said it was fine.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

According to the 18th Ed an rcd spur is not listed as a device for providing additional protection.

Anyone know why this is?

 

[Marcus Vaughan]

If it’s a square D - Domae range then a new Schneider Easy 9 RCBO will fit straight in and with manufacturers blessing....

I have been through this myself and it’s posted on here somewhere.....

 

[Wilko]

That company not on the right committee

 

[TheCodboy]

If it’s a square D - Domae range then a new Schneider Easy 9 RCBO will fit straight in and with manufacturers blessing....

I have been through this myself and it’s posted on here somewhere.....

Its a QO, the black ones.

 

[westward10]

Square D QO106B10RCBO30F 6 Amp Type B Single Pole 30mA 10kA 240V QOvs RCBO > QOvs (formerly QOE) RCBO's > RCBOs > Square D > Electrical Supplies > Zetmet Ltd - https://www.electricaldiscountedsupplies.com/product.php/754/square_d_qo106b10rcbo30f_6_amp_type_b_single_pole_30ma_10ka_240v_qovs_rcbo/903f86b2699d5e47f623e3d510fb088d

 

[TheCodboy]

Square D QO106B10RCBO30F 6 Amp Type B Single Pole 30mA 10kA 240V QOvs RCBO > QOvs (formerly QOE) RCBO's > RCBOs > Square D > Electrical Supplies > Zetmet Ltd - https://www.electricaldiscountedsupplies.com/product.php/754/square_d_qo106b10rcbo30f_6_amp_type_b_single_pole_30ma_10ka_240v_qovs_rcbo/903f86b2699d5e47f623e3d510fb088d

Neweys and Parks both quoted me around the £170 mark. Neweys were the cheaper.

 

[westward10]

Bit of vat and postage job done.

 

[GBDamo]

According to the 18th Ed an rcd spur is not listed as a device for providing additional protection.

I took off the "disagree" as you are correct, they are not listed but, as has been said numerous times and from numerous scheme's advisors, they are ok for continued use.

Don't know why some people can't let this one go, have you shorted the manufacturer's stock or some such?

 

[GBDamo]

Anyone know why this is?

It's not the case, the advice I got from NAPIT is it is probably an omission and they advise to continue using them, others have asked their scheme the same question and got the same answer.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

It's not the case, the advice I got from NAPIT is it is probably an omission and they advise to continue using them, others have asked their scheme the same question and got the same answer.

Thanks, that's good to know. The bulk of my work is minor additions in domestic, so RCD spurs are often convenient to use.

 

[Octopus]

ebay RCBO. fit and test. sorted.

BUT also make sure your quote and invoice clearly state that the RCBO is 2nd hand and has no warranty.........

 

[GBDamo]

Thanks, that's good to know. The bulk of my work is minor additions in domestic, so RCD spurs are often convenient to use.

Ive had a recent glut of floor box additions onto busbar track systems, legrand Electrak, which are all protected upfront by MCBs with the additional protection for the sockets provided by RCD sockets in the floor box.

I did again ask the question if I'd have to put the busbars on an RCBOs and got the same answer, no so long as the circuits didn't require RCDs which they didn't.

Guess we'll have to wait for the first amendment for the black and white clarification.

 

[TheCodboy]

Square D QO106B10RCBO30F 6 Amp Type B Single Pole 30mA 10kA 240V QOvs RCBO > QOvs (formerly QOE) RCBO's > RCBOs > Square D > Electrical Supplies > Zetmet Ltd - https://www.electricaldiscountedsupplies.com/product.php/754/square_d_qo106b10rcbo30f_6_amp_type_b_single_pole_30ma_10ka_240v_qovs_rcbo/903f86b2699d5e47f623e3d510fb088d

Your help is very much appreciated, many thanks!

 

[GBDamo]

Just to add a little more clarity to this, is that not a BS4293 device?

 

[MG201]

wilrose electrical supply parts that are tested and have lots of obsolete breakers etc .

 

[Charlie_]

I think the issue is that the devices listed in the regs are designed primarily for the installation of fixed wiring..
Where as, Fused outlets, sockets, etc are designed primarily for equipment that is to be connected to the installation..

 

[Tony Reidy]

Been asked to carry out some bathroom work including new spots, underfloor heating etc. The existing DB is an old Square D board with no rcd protection at all. Customer wont pay for a new DB, and ive priced a drop in rcbo....... £177 each. Passed this info on to the home owner, and hes complaining (surprise). He's asked me about used ones from eBay etc. Normally i would just say no but there's a few quid in the bathroom works so im trying to find asolution. So, the big question.... Used rcbo yes or no?? I did explain to the home owner that i could offer no guarantee whatsoever for the rcbo if purchased second hand.

Get the customer to supply the RCBOs

 

[Toneyz]

Where they not allowed in the 17th? I thought that they were I know Sparkychick posted she used them a lot on her installations.

 

[stidge]

RCD spur off lighting cct for bathroom lights and RCD spur off ring feeding underfloor controls ! Job done at about £40 -£50

 

[Octopus]

Job done at about £40 -£50

Per point!

 

[stidge]

Per point!

Yes sorry murdoch per RCD spur plus labour

 

[Octopus]

Yes sorry Murdoch per RCD spur plus labour

Funny ........... unless you are Brian Taylor in disguise!