void property periodic inspection & test

[rmar1205]

is there a limited test that can be carried out that would comply with the regs-i.e if a property becomes void & has had a full periodic inspection & test within two years, do i still have to carry out a 'full' periodic inspection & test or can i do a visual & if there are no hazards, carry out a visual on the consumer unit & an e.l.impedence test on the circuits- & still be within the regs?

 

[Guest123]

Hi.

Limitations can be agreed with whoever is ordering the report.

As long as what you do is clearly stated in the "extent covered" box and both you and the customer fully understand and agree to it.

A visual condition report is another type of report altogether. Depends on exactly what your customer requires.

 

[rmar1205]

customer has landlords responsibility-rents out his properties-i reccomend full inspection & test-what's the best advice that i can give?

 

[Guest123]

AS you rightly say, landlords have a duty of care i too would carry out a full PIR.

Off the top of my head the frequency of testing of rented properties is every 5 years OR change of tennancy.

 

[MarcT]

I agree with lenny, In GN3 it's 10yrs/change of occupancy. In 10 years there might many different tenancies, I found it very common in council properties for tenants to do their own work, alot of this might of gone un-noticed without the full periodic. Typically the landlord wants those 6 sheets of paper at the cheapest cost

 

[Tapouchoke]

I agree with lenny, In GN3 it's 10yrs/change of occupancy. In 10 years there might many different tenancies, I found it very common in council properties for tenants to do their own work, alot of this might of gone un-noticed without the full periodic. Typically the landlord wants those 6 sheets of paper at the cheapest cost

couldn’t have said that better myself landlords generally still have the first brass farthing they have ever earned
5yrs /change tenancy we put on our for council

 

[Jeffmo65]

Hi , sorry to interject , with a question . have been asked to carry out PIR's on several units owned by client . all are relatively straight forward . However one of said units is rather more complex . Prior to agreeing to carry out this work , i took a quick look see , it appears to have two supplies coming from sub . 1 x 200amp and 1 x 100amp ( 3 phase ) . My question basically is is it possible to limit the pir to landlords equipment only ie : original sockets and lighting . The onnus thenm being on the tennant to supply a pir for the rest . ( Heavy machine shop with loads of tennants equipment . This would obviously reduce the cost for landlord . My plan was to suggest this to client , and just do a visual on tennants equipment for obvious defects or deficiencies . Obviously opening up the DB will show any problems there and just mark circuits not tested on the results pages. Anyone with vast amounts of pir experience that would like to comment would be welcomed . Cheers

 

[malcolmsanford]

Bit confused of why you would think a PIR/EICR would include machinery.

Your testing is for the fixed installation only, and I would make it also aware that this would not include fire alarm systems or emergency lighting systems, if I were to do those as well, they would be priced as extra.

The equipment would come under a completely different maintenance/testing regime most likely governed by PEWER. There is a very knowledgeable guy on here called netblindpaul who is very genned up on the equipment side of things, he would be more help than I on equipment.

These 2 3 phase supplies are they DNO or private as in sub mains, as they may have to be included in your testing if private.

 

[Jeffmo65]

Hi Malcolm , ta for the quick reply , sorry if my explanation of situation wasnt quite what i meant . When i mentioned machinery , what i was meaning was that the said machinary is connected via various sockets ( 3 phase , rotary switches , single phase commando and so on ) . these sockets have been introduced by the tennant not the landlord ( my client ) . It is these extra or retrofit fixed equipment that my question applies . Ofcourse i am aware that PIR's /EICR's are for fixed equipment otherwise i should not be asking the question in the first place . As regards to the supplies - 1 supply is fed from landlords Panel board and the other fed directly to unit , so is DNO upto meter . Thanks Malc , any advice always welcome we are never too old or experienced to learn are we . Cheers Jeff

 

[malcolmsanford]

You could set the said sockets as a limitation with your client who is the landlord.

I assume the Landlord is requesting these PIR/EICR for insurance purposes, so by limiting the installation to it's bare bones, and then if anything happened the validity of the inspection may be brought into place with a rake load of limitations.

I would have thought though that the tenant must have sought the landlords permission to install all these services, in fact I would have thought that part of the tenancy arrangement would either have been the landlord installing them for his tenant, or coming to an arrangement with them to install themselves.

Either way I can't imagine them doing this off there own bat, if they have then there maybe all sorts of legal repercussions, and I would have thought then that the Landlord should order a full test, including these extra services.

There could be loads of ramifications on this, there could be arguments if there is a maintenance department on site testing is not needed. Think bottom line for me would be, give the client want he wants and make sure you have it in writing, so if he tells you not to test the services installed for/by the tenant then make sure it is in writing, and you document it also that is what you done.

 

[Jeffmo65]

Thanks Malcolm , what you say is very true , and will carry out the works REQUESTED in writing as you say . It may well be a case of carrying out the full inspection and it may be possible to do this on a weekend when tennants equipment is not in use . Thanks for the words of wisdom . Regards Jeff