What Qualifications do my electricians need

[shelters]

Hi all,
I am looking after some sites with heavy processing equipment in them. I have been asked to verify what qualifications my electricans need to:-
Design the circuits
Install the heavy plant & maintenance
general installation and repairs.
I thought this was going to easy until I started finding City & Guild NVQ floating around.
This is what I have so far. Comments welcome
All electrical installations and repairs can only be carried out by electricians with a minimum qualification of BS 2382 or NVQ 2356 or 2357

All electrical installations and repairs must be tested by electricians with the qualification BS2391 (BS2392 Fundamental testing)?

Portable Appliance testing (PAT) Testing can only be performed by a person with the BS 2377

Electrical Maintenance can be performed by a competent person with NVQ 1687 Electrical and electronic servicing.

 

[malcolmsanford]

As far as I'm aware the C&G 2357 is the new qualification so I doubt you will find anyone as yet having that so I would change that to perhaps 236 part 1 & 2 or equivilent, as that will cover all the preceeding and proceeding titles.

C&G 2382 can simply be down as 17th edition. As it is not a BS number the BS is 7671-2008

C&G 2391-10 is perhaps what you want for inspection and testing side, again the 2391-10 is a C&G number not a BS. I would not incliude the 2392 as this is mainly aimed at domestic and there is little if none 3 phase coverage on this.

As your looking for design you could in fact add 2391-20 as preferablle as this is a design course.

C&G 2377-002 is what you rightly ask for for PAT, and again it is a C&G number not a BS

As for the maintenance, sorry I can't help there, in my day as an Electrician you could do all electrical work, so a maintenance only course in C&G I can't comment on

 

[shelters]

Thanks,
This is a great help.
you are right I dont know why I was putting BS down instrad of G&C.
I have come across this NVQ for maintenance of electrical equipment and I dont want to exclude anyone who has the correct qualification.

 

[mogga]

add Iff your in scotland or applicant is from scotland Select( scottish JIB ) do courses givinf similar to cng 2391-20
Maintenance is more a Picked up thing with training for specific applications and machenery
#Also you could put an advert looking for applications via the forums "Electricians in your area" Zone

 

[madmac]

I would simply ask for time served, fully qualified approved electricians with industrial back ground experience with certificates for inspection & testing c&g 2391-10, c&g 2382 17th edition wiring regs,cscs/ecs grade card, C&g 2377 pat certs and preferably PASMA( tower scaffold), and IPAF (scissor lifts and booms). Also you should be offering JIB wages and conditions at 14.35 p/h unless you have a comparable offer.

 

[Knobhead]

My C&G qualifications to the modern eye don’t seem to count for much, I have the 17th which I regard as a worthless piece of paper.
If I was to call and arrange to see you would you know what my 35 year old C&G’s and EITB’s mean? My main selling point is 35 years of hard earned experience (and a pile of other qualifications that you’ve probably never heard of).

Don’t base everything on bits of paper especially in an industrial environment.

PS I don’t want a job unless you want a consultant.

 

[Engineer54]

Putting things into prospective, Your C&G are probably a lot more meaningful than the modern derivitives...

That's not trying to put others down here, it's just a fact that the older apprenticeship schemes covered far more scope, and went far further, than any of the modern series of courses. These days everything has a cost factor, depending on the costs determines what your taught and even to what level you are going to be taught, ....Sad Really!!!

 

[shelters]

Thanks to every one for the responce.
I am a time served electrician myself with a 5 year apprenticeship (many many moons ago). 15th Edition. I did my update just to keep qualified but I have lost touch with all the variations that are out there.
I have been asked to clarify to my current company what qualifications our electricians should have as before I arrived some cowboy made a very expensive and large bit of equipment live and kept changeing fuses without making any checks.
Luckly no one got hurt.
I could not believe the state of the installation carried out by this guy!

 

[Knobhead]

I could not believe the state of the installation carried out by this guy!

I could! It’s great turning round to a contractor and telling them to rip the bloody lot out and start again, at their expense.

 

[geofff]

Just to give you a different option, the electricians I work with have NVQ3 Engineering Maintenance Electrical (1688) see here, they also have 17th edition, 2391-10 inspection and testing, and 2377 PAT testing.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I used to work for a time at food processing factory.
The Chief engineer there had served his time with Manweb, had the 2360, AM2 and even an HNC/D not sure which.
He was a nightmare.
SWA put in boards without even holes in the enclosure. Covers off and the conductors put away. Diddn't even earth the armour.
One board during summer months had to have the cover removed and fans placed in front to stop the MCCBs from tripping.
Eventually he was dismissed after about 10 years as it was discovered he had allowed a machine to have all of the safeties bypassed.
Unfortunately qualifications are no guarantee of competence.
Myself, I have never taken the 2391 but have around 20 years of experiance conducting I&T.
It still makes me chuckle that I give advice to people who have taken and passed the 2391.
You may want to consider asking for checkable refferences rather than qualifications.

 

[Knobhead]

Just to give you a different option, the electricians I work with have NVQ3 Engineering Maintenance Electrical (1688) see here, they also have 17th edition, 2391-10 inspection and testing, and 2377 PAT testing.

From looking at it C&G have taken on board the old methods of the EITB. My C&G Electrical Technicians covered all sorts of useful things like OP Amps (which I’ve never had the need to worry about ever since). Where as with the EITB you had to show the practical skill needed in your trade.

My proud boast is I was the first electrical apprentice to gain a J22 while still serving indentured time.

I was lucky in that the company was 100% behind the scheme. I needed to overhaul a large DC motor for one of my phase tests, my manager arranged to have a 100HP traction motor brought from another works for me to play with.