What would you do in this case?

[Goody]

If you add a light socket on a light circuit and the circuit tests OK. The main bonding & supplementary bonding are all in place, but the earth on the garage circuit is dodgy (unsatisfactory); what would you do?


Although you are only concerned with the circuit you modify, is it your responsibility to make other circuits safe too?


Can this garage circuit be disconnected from the board with a danger notice attached or make a note about it on the Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate “Comments, if any, on existing installation” box.


Cheers!

 

[telectrix]

ask the customer if he wants you to repair it or isolate it, and give him an estimate for the repair.

 

[Guest123]

If it's dangerous i.e code 1, and 1) is not the circuit you've worked on, 2) you've raised the issue with the customer, and 3) he refuses to take any action then I would issue and EDN for the affected circuit which requires his signature also and leave the circuit isolated. Remember though we have no right to disconnect or remove any faulty circuit it must be left so that if he wished he can re-energise the circuit after you've left.

Issue a MEIW or EIC for your work and note the affected circuit details in the 'comments' box on that cert also.

 

[Engineer54]

Please ...Read this thread!!

http://www.electriciansforums.net/i...al-installations/38082-do-you-have-power.html

 

[Octopus]

Out of interest what made you look at the garage circuit?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

You are really only concerned with aspects of the existing install that affect the safety of the work you have carried out....circuit protection,main earthing system,protective bonding etc.
You are not obliged to check the entire install if you are just altering one circuit and the above mentioned are satisfactory.....you should make the client aware of any defects you have noted....but why,may I ask were you checking the garage if your job was not concerned with it ?....did you check all circuits in the property?......edit...Murdoch clearly thinking along the same lines!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You are required (where reasonably practicable), to note any defects in the existing installation in the space provided on whichever Certificate you are issuing.

 

[Octopus]

You are required (where reasonably practicable), to note any defects in the existing installation in the space provided on whichever Certificate you are issuing.

Thats all very well noting things you see "connected" to the circuit(s) you are working on but all the rest of the installation - I don't think so. That almost infers some form of PIR for even the most minor work which, IMHO, is daft!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That's why the term reasonably practicable is used.
If for instance you were installing a new circuit, you would reasonably be expected to open up the CU, and notice that lighting circuits do not have CPCs.
You may also noteice that a socket front is damaged, or that lighting flex is not secure in ceiling roses.
You would not be expected to conduct a full I&T of the existing installation, unless of course that was what you are being paid to do.

 

[Goody]

Sorry, [FONT=&amp]folks[/FONT],I forgot to mention; this is part of the "Minor Job" for my forthcoming assessment, what do you I do? Thanks.

Out of interest what made you look at the garage circuit?

It's just the way the SWA was terminated at the board that made me curious.

 

[telectrix]

if it is a simple repair job, i would just fix it as a favour. the client will be allowing you to use the job for assessment, if a bigger job, advise client on what is wrong and the cost. if he won't pay to have it done, note it in comments on your MWC, then, as you are the man on site, it's up to you to decide if it's dangerous enough to isolate and issue a EDN.

 

[Octopus]

Sorry, folks,I forgot to mention; this is part of the "Minor Job" for my forthcoming assessment, what do you I do? Thanks.

It's just the way the SWA was terminated at the board that made me curious.

10 out of 10 for being observant. I'd fix it for the client FOC and try and mention it during your assessment.

Good luck

 

[Goody]

10 out of 10 for being observant. I'd fix it for the client FOC and try and mention it during your assessment.

Good luck

Very good advice, thanks!