Wiring a ceiling rose

[Jaymorris]

Hi. I’ve wired the light, but now it’s permanently on and the switch won’t operate it. Please can someone state the obvious for me? Much appreciated.

jay

 

[telectrix]

sorry, but that's a complete mess. suggest you get an electrician in to sort it out safely.

 

[Andy78]

sorry, but that's a complete mess. suggest you get an electrician in to sort it out safely.

Beat me too it, scary stuff.

 

[westward10]

Okay everything is wrong there. The fitting is not earthed, the neutral of the fitting is connected to earth, the two blacks connected together almost certainly should not be connected together. I would isolate the supply, disconnect the new light fitting only and seek the services of an electrician. It is easy to solve even from here but I don't believe it is a good idea to tell you given what you have already achieved.

 

[Jaymorris]

Okay everything is wrong there. The fitting is not earthed, the neutral of the fitting is connected to earth, the two blacks connected together almost certainly should not be connected together. I would isolate the supply, disconnect the new light fitting only and seek the services of an electrician. It is easy to solve even from here but I don't believe it is a good idea to tell you given what you have already achieved.

Hi. The two blacks were connected when I took the original light rose off. I just copied what I’d already seen so god knows how the original one was working. I can’t afford an electrician hence me trying myself

Okay everything is wrong there. The fitting is not earthed, the neutral of the fitting is connected to earth, the two blacks connected together almost certainly should not be connected together. I would isolate the supply, disconnect the new light fitting only and seek the services of an electrician. It is easy to solve even from here but I don't believe it is a good idea to tell you given what you have already achieved.

Hi. The two blacks were connected when I took the original light rose off. I just copied what I’d already seen so god knows how the original one was working. I can’t afford an electrician hence me trying myself.

 

[westward10]

Hi. The two blacks were connected when I took the original light rose off. I just copied what I’d already seen so god knows how the original one was working. I can’t afford an electrician hence me trying myself.

I could be wrong but I suspect the two reds were connected together. Is that the only light controlled by that switch. That looks end of circuit and if the two blacks were connected together and separate you may have a polarity issue which is another problem.

 

[pirate]

I think you can't "not" afford an electrician, my friend. I see what you are trying to do, but I would echo what Westward10 said.
It's not worth the risk, and an electrician would sort that out very quickly at a cost that is better value for money than the possibility of injury.
The analogy often used on here is whether you would replace the brakes on your car.

 

[telectrix]

I can’t afford an electrician.

money may be tight, but an electrician costs a lot less than a funeral director.

 

[littlespark]

Is there a member of the forum could pop round and sort this?

 

[Jaymorris]

I could be wrong but I suspect the two reds were connected together. Is that the only light controlled by that switch.

I think you can't "not" afford an electrician, my friend. I see what you are trying to do, but I would echo what Westward10 said.
It's not worth the risk, and an electrician would sort that out very quickly at a cost that is better value for money than the possibility of injury.
The analogy often used on here is whether you would replace the brakes on your car.

Good point. Thought it would be simpler than it was
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Good point. Thought it would be simpler than it was

I originally connected the two reds and it tripped the fuse. It is the only light controlled by that switch

 

[westward10]

If the two blacks were also connected together it would have done.

 

[ipf]

Gawd!! If that's permanently on, it looks like the cpc is being used as the return. Frightening.
For goodness sake find a few quid for an electrician.

 

[Jaymorris]

Gawd!! If that's permanently on, it looks like the cpc is being used as the return. Frightening.
For goodness sake find a few quid for an electrician.

Will do. Thank you

 

[James]

definitely no functioning rcd on that circuit.

 

[westward10]

Closing thread to prevent further advice. Normally we would try and help but your electrical knowledge is likely to give rise to a dangerous situation, hopefully you are now going to get the services of an electrician. Good luck.