Your Top random 10 policies

[Octopus]

Are those people using council services more though?

Absolutely. Bins, libraries, doctors, schools, hospitals..........

So you'd be happy with 10 workers in one house paying the same as your mum & dad?

 

[trev]

Their bins don't get emptied any more regularly than the little old dear who lives on her own next door though. Doctors and hospitals aren't funded through council taxation.
If those ten workers were getting more services provided for the same amount then yes I'm going to be objecting but what about the younger couple with 3 children aged between 5 and 16? They're the ones who are sing council services more because their kids are going to school, why aren't they going to pay more than little old Mrs Widow?

 

[Octopus]

Their bins don't get emptied any more regularly than the little old dear who lives on her own next door though. Doctors and hospitals aren't funded through council taxation.
If those ten workers were getting more services provided for the same amount then yes I'm going to be objecting but what about the younger couple with 3 children aged between 5 and 16? They're the ones who are sing council services more because their kids are going to school, why aren't they going to pay more than little old Mrs Widow?

Mrs Widow, or anyone on their own gets a discount as it is.........

 

[trev]

Come, sit with me in pedant's corner
OK then we'll call them Mr & Mrs Pensioner (he's miraculously back from the dead)

 

[jaypp]

Another thing I'd like to see is rehabilitation in prisons. A lot of crime is related to poverty, whether that be financial poverty or poverty of aspiration is for another thread.
I watched something a few months back where Gordon Ramsey set up a scheme in a nick which went on to be self financing and actually turned in a profit. He set up a training regime where he got some lags through elementary catering qualifications, once they were through them he got them producing cakes, flapjacks etc and used his industry contacts to get in front of the buyers for several chains like Café Nero. They sampled the produce and gave him a trial order which sold very successfully, the trial order was then rolled out over a wider and wider area.
As the scheme brought in more money he used it to finance higher qualifications and as the inmates were coming to the end of their sentences, once again he used his industry contacts to get some of them interviews with restaurants, hotels, coffee chains etc and a lot of them got jobs and became worthwhile members of society.
Obviously this will only work with non violent offenders but it's pointless just locking people up.
Make the prison regime one where you enter with no entitlements (no luxuries)but if you work at it and toe the line there's a carrot on the end of the prison stick

There was a similar scheme where young persons with an affection to TWOC were given opportunities relating to cars (mechanics, if IRC). I seem to remember there was a much lower %age of re-offenders

 

[trev]

Norway or Sweden operates a system heavily based on rehabilitation rather than punishment and enjoys a much lower reoffending rate. Obviously there has to be an element of punishment but that could and should be the loss of liberty

 

[Octopus]

Come, sit with me in pedant's corner
OK then we'll call them Mr & Mrs Pensioner (he's miraculously back from the dead)

I think it would be unfair to levy a local tax at school age children whereas those over 18 should contribute.

At the end of the day funds need to be raised and as more youngsters are staying and working from their parental home they should contribute...

 

[dingledong]

That's why the poll tax was better

 

[Octopus]

That's why the poll tax was better

Absolutely BUT it gave the biggest advantage to those who had the biggest houses, as they saved the most.

My plan is to combine the 2 schemes so that those with the most pay the most. Big house pays the most and with no upper limits.

 

[jaypp]

I think it would be unfair to levy a local tax at school age children whereas those over 18 should contribute.

At the end of the day funds need to be raised and as more youngsters are staying and working from their parental home they should contribute...

I've liked this post Murdoch, but it could then give youngsters more incentive to start families, get housed, subsidised etc.

 

[jaypp]

Absolutely BUT it gave the biggest advantage to those who had the biggest houses, as they saved the most.

My plan is to combine the 2 schemes so that those with the most pay the most. Big house pays the most and with no upper limits.

That won't encourage people to better themselves either!

 

[Octopus]

I've liked this post Murdoch, but it could then give youngsters more incentive to start families, get housed, subsidised etc.

Really, any of them that watch the news must be aware that having kids = easy ride to nice house is well and truely in the past!

sorry I need to add this to the top 10!

11. Parents responsible for children up to the age of 21 - this has been in operation in Holland for years and does work.

 

[dingledong]

1all people who work in public sectors are accountable for their mistakes and should be fired when they get it wrong
2 what parties say in the run up for election must be carried out
3 judges should be able to be sacked no jobs for life
4prisons should not be holidays your in prison because of what you have done , you should be made to work and your wages go to the victim or running the prison
5 prisons should be self sufficient and prisoners can grow food and do animal husbandry etc
6 more should be done in the training of teenagers etc every one should be helped getting a job
7 nhs should be overhauled
8 quangos should be at least 50% normal people and 1 unemployed person
9 mp's wages should be governed by computer each year 3 jobs should be picked highly skilled , skilled and unskilled .The wages added then divide by 3 so as the workers wages get better so do the mp's
10 a cut back or a deeper look into foreign aid , we too have problems
There are better but most have been said

 

[Octopus]

1all people who work in public sectors are accountable for their mistakes and should be fired when they get it wrong
2 what parties say in the run up for election must be carried out
3 judges should be able to be sacked no jobs for life
4prisons should not be holidays your in prison because of what you have done , you should be made to work and your wages go to the victim or running the prison
5 prisons should be self sufficient and prisoners can grow food and do animal husbandry etc
6 more should be done in the training of teenagers etc every one should be helped getting a job
7 nhs should be overhauled
8 quangos should be at least 50% normal people and 1 unemployed person
9 mp's wages should be governed by computer each year 3 jobs should be picked highly skilled , skilled and unskilled .The wages added then divide by 3 so as the workers wages get better so do the mp's
10 a cut back or a deeper look into foreign aid , we too have problems
There are better but most have been said

COme on then - how?

 

[dingledong]

Ok have a go
Maybe means tested ?
Have to have lived in the country for three years ?
Making it less top heavy ?

 

[Octopus]

Ok have a go
Maybe means tested ?
Have to have lived in the country for three years ?
Making it less top heavy ?

Nice, like it.

The problem with the NHS is a bit like asking your local Council where all the money goes.

I heard the other day, on the radio that about 75% of the NHS spend is now on "old" people and local Councils are weighed down by the pension commitments for all their staff, police and firemen.

 

[dingledong]

Yes I can and do believe that ! Some of these pension schemes are going to ruin us in a few years I think

 

[dingledong]

Oh and every one that lost a son in the Iraqi war can kick Tony Blair in the ---


Every day

 

[Diddy]

I agree with others about more social housing...millions more. I had it in my 10 too. But I fundamentally disagree with looking at a house as a building and not a "home". Roof over your head for life guaranteed. Yes "some" oldies live in houses that are too large.....offer them something decent and reliable...maybe good-excellent sheltered housing ? But I would like to see the uncertainty of a roof over your head removed altogether. Our parents and grandparents would never have put up with it.....and neither should we after all them before us fought for this stuff just for us to say well im paying private so YOU should suffer too. Balls to the race to the bottom...race to the top instead.

 

[dingledong]

But where would you build the thousands more houses ? Green belt most p l aces seem to be overcrowded now !
Only asking

 

[trev]

There's a lot of brown field sites kicking around.

 

[dingledong]

If you look up overcrowding of rats you will see that overcrowding causes social problems ! Also we use brown field sites now , what do we do in 10 or 15 years time

 

[Octopus]

Ask the Church of england.

They are selling a parcel of land in Guildford, next to the cathederal, for housing - I doubt many will be social.

why can't they build social houses and rent them to local workers?

 

[jaypp]

Really, any of them that watch the news must be aware that having kids = easy ride to nice house is well and truely in the past!

sorry I need to add this to the top 10!

11. Parents responsible for children up to the age of 21 - this has been in operation in Holland for years and does work.

I'm not of the opinion that people get pregnant on purpose to get housed. If (IF) you were the kind of person to be influenced by media then, in my opinion, increasing council tax for those over 18 and working whilst living at parents would not encourage what you seem to have voiced when you posted regarding tax credits. (I actually 'liked' that post last night btw - forum gremlins)

 

[Diddy]

If you look up overcrowding of rats you will see that overcrowding causes social problems ! Also we use brown field sites now , what do we do in 10 or 15 years time

You are joking yes ? The amount of the UK currently built on is approx 10% - little more in south of england and a bit less in the north including a good bit less in scotland.

 

[dingledong]

But built up in small areas not spread out . So still overcrowded

 

[dingledong]

But 90% live in that 10 %

 

[Pete999]

Send them up to Jockland, they want them to build the super country.

Shouldn't that read Scotland pc and all that