Health and safety guidance - Northern Ireland

[aaroncappa]

Hi folks. I'm not an electrician but I thought this would be a good place to get some guidance and get some understanding on health and safety when it comes to electric engineers.

I am from Northern Ireland. I just had a prepayment meter removed and a new meter installed for a direct debit tariff this morning.
NIE are the main guys here. I asked the engineer for a health and safety certificate after he installed the meter and he was surprised when I asked him. He asked why.

I told him about a fire that happened in a friends house where he got the blame for it after a meter was installed.

He then showed me what he had installed and said the seal on the meter links to him and if something happens he would be responsible. However he said that if there was a fire it would have been the white switch box or the black cables on the right side coming into the property that would have caused the fire.

Isn't there something these engineers are supposed to produce? What is the deal with health and safety certificates for installing meters? Surely there is laws regarding this.

I also have another friend got his own meter installed by an independent qualified engineer and they cut his electric off in the street claiming it was because of health and safety and he was provided with a certificate, which they claimed wasn't valid as only they could do the health and safety checks and validate a certificate. So as you can see there is some confusion as to what is true here. If these engineers don't provide them then what qualifies the safety?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[snowhead]

Can this thread be closed as it's going to serve no useful purpose, it will go on and on like other similar threads recently from individuals, or maybe they are a committee, possibly the same one.

 

[davesparks]

Can everyone calm down or this thread will be gone. Not sure what it is all about anyway.

If you Google 'free man on the land' it may go some way to explaining it.

I'd say these people have some similarities to flat-earthers, gravity deniers and those people who think KFC have bred 4 legged, 8 winged chickens.

 

[pirate]

"Show me where I signed the contract!"

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would not have asked this.

I'm not going to contribute further to this thread as I find the OPs attitude offensive, to me anyway.

 

[freddo]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

 

[Lucien Nunes]

I am a "living man"

You might be a living man, but you will soon have dead electrical appliances.

 

[Mike Johnson]

To the OP, I am a living man and have probably lived a lot longer than you, but I do think you need some professional help from a someone living who is on a different drug to you.

 

[davesparks]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

That's the other phrase I was trying to remember, sovereign citizen.

A mate of mine has met a few of them as he is a police officer and he has confirmed that for all their 'not consenting to be policed' 'common law' 'didn't sign a contract' etc they can still get dragged before judge and jury and end up in jail just like anyone else.

 

[islander]

That's the other phrase I was trying to remember, sovereign citizen.

A mate of mine has met a few of them as he is a police officer and he has confirmed that for all their 'not consenting to be policed' 'common law' 'didn't sign a contract' etc they can still get dragged before judge and jury and end up in jail just like anyone else.

Another one is 'Freeman on the Land'. They all end up in court and their attitude there often lands them with a sentence for contempt as well as a judgement against them resulting in various penalties being imposed.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

Wolfie was the most famous.

 

[littlespark]

“DEAD FICTIONAL ENTITIES!”

Isn’t that a bit of a “Schrodingers cat” situation?

Fictional means made up… not real. Can’t be dead or alive.


Whether you have a meter supplied by them, or your own… you’re still paying the standing charge if there’s a supply to the property.

How would you change their meter to your meter without “tampering” with their equipment?

 

[davesparks]

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How would you change their meter to your meter without “tampering” with their equipment?

By getting someone with the relevant qualifications and permissions to do it. Or even asking your supplier to send a meter fitter to do it.

The law allows you to supply your own electricity meter, you don't have to have the one supplied by your energy supplier, as long as it complies with metering standards they can't refuse it.

 

[telectrix]

Ok well I have got legal advice and I have done my own research on all of this for months now. I am in contact with many who have done this themselves.

There is NO law that states we can't install our own meter (done by qualified engineer of course) and there is NO law that states we "must" pay for electricity either.

Also we must understand the difference between LAW and LEGAL!

Statutes and Acts aren't LAW. They only apply to "PERSON'S"

I am a "living man" not a person. It would do you well if you looked up the definitions of these words and the language that is used to deceive us.

I am NOT crazy, and I am not bullshitting either. I am talking FACTS. I can assure you or I wouldn't be asking these questions.

The performance to pay energy companies who aren't actually suppliers but in fact "BROKERS" is by definition FRAUD.

They are committing fraud and they get away with it because we give consent. That consent is implied. It is given through IGNORANCE. It is presumed.

There is a massive difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE.

Maybe I have chosen the wrong forum to ask these questions. But it seems it was a good place to ask since I am no electrician. However I do know the difference between LAW and LEGAL fiction.

Thanks for the replies anyhow.

yes you are.