Part P and self Certification

[Retired-Still-Interested]

Hi. Can anyone help me out in understanding Part P and notifiable work in a Domestic dwelling. I am a recently retired electrician and I now want to carry out electrical work in my own home and also for my family, friends and neighbour's. If I undertake and pass C & G 2393-10 and I am in receipt of that same Certificate can I then legally carry out the above works and issue an appropriate compliance certificate for notifiable works done in my own home and work in other domestic dwellings. Also how would I obtain compliance certificates to issue. Any help and advice on this would be much appreciated.

 

[Dustydazzler]

You need to join a domestic installer scheme to self notify domestic installation work such as new consumer units / full rewires

 

[Strima]

Any notifiable works come under Part P:

Notifiable works​

• The installation of a new circuit
• The replacement of a consumer unit
• Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location

Non- notifiable works​

• All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

For scheme registration as a domestic installer you will require the following, taken from the NICEIC website as an example:

To apply for our Domestic Installer scheme your business must:

• Be directly engaged in Domestic Electrical Work
• Have a minimum of £2 million Public Liability Insurance in the registered trading name
• Certificates of technical qualifications achieved by the Qualified Supervisor
• Hold a current edition of BS 7671, HSR25 (E@WR89) and any other technical reference guides relevant to the range and scale of electrical work you undertake
• Maintain a record of the ongoing accuracy and consistency of test equipment used for certification and reporting purposes
• Appoint one or more Qualified Supervisor as required
• Proposed Qualified Supervisor has at least 2 years responsibility for electrical work
• Have a safe isolation and re-energisation of installations procedure in place
• Have a written Health & Safety Policy Statement and carry out risk assessments as appropriate
• Make available for assessment sufficient examples of domestic electrical installation work completed with appropriate certification in the previous 12 months by the business. It is advisable to arrange access to a selection of sites

As a side note work for family and friends can end in tears as they expect a lot for very little.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Yes ’mates rates’ is a recipe for arguments

i either do the job for free (they buy the gear) like putting up an IKEA light fitting or it’s my normal rate and I do materials at cost e,g board swap

I don’t charge friends / mates for cable , boxes etc as I always have that laying around but everything else is chargeable

 

[MrMan1O1]

Any notifiable works come under Part P:

Notifiable works​

• The installation of a new circuit
• The replacement of a consumer unit
• Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location

Non- notifiable works​

• All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

For scheme registration as a domestic installer you will require the following, taken from the NICEIC website as an example:

To apply for our Domestic Installer scheme your business must:

• Be directly engaged in Domestic Electrical Work
• Have a minimum of £2 million Public Liability Insurance in the registered trading name
• Certificates of technical qualifications achieved by the Qualified Supervisor
• Hold a current edition of BS 7671, HSR25 (E@WR89) and any other technical reference guides relevant to the range and scale of electrical work you undertake
• Maintain a record of the ongoing accuracy and consistency of test equipment used for certification and reporting purposes
• Appoint one or more Qualified Supervisor as required
• Proposed Qualified Supervisor has at least 2 years responsibility for electrical work
• Have a safe isolation and re-energisation of installations procedure in place
• Have a written Health & Safety Policy Statement and carry out risk assessments as appropriate
• Make available for assessment sufficient examples of domestic electrical installation work completed with appropriate certification in the previous 12 months by the business. It is advisable to arrange access to a selection of sites

As a side note work for family and friends can end in tears as they expect a lot for very little.

How come there's no mention here of any requirement for a course/qualification that proves knowledge of Part P of Building Regs.?
How does a newly qualified electrician manage to notify building control that the installation meets Part P Regs.? It seems he would have to work for a supervising electrician for 2yrs before he could set up on his own. If he wants to set up on his own, what's the legal workaround?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Any notifiable works come under Part P:

Point of order.
All electrical works are governed by Part P.

 

[MrMan1O1]

Oops, just realised the C&G course quoted in the original post is actually a Part P qual.

 

[Strima]

Oops, just realised the C&G course quoted in the original post is actually a Part P qual.

There's no requirement to hold any sort of formal qualification, you just need to have competency. This is normally shown through qualification... ?

And the Part P qualification isn't worth the paper it's printed on, it just prints money for the course providers.

It is accepted that you can carry out notifiable works and notify after you have had your scheme assessment.

You could do it properly by completing the works and paying LABC to inspect it afterwards however this would prove to be very very expensive.

 

[Taylortwocities]

You could do it properly by completing the works and paying LABC to inspect it afterwards however this would prove to be very very expensive.

Using that route, you must raise a building notice before work starts, and LABC may want to inspect work during the process.

There is also the mystery 3rd party notification process.

 

[Retired-Still-Interested]

Any notifiable works come under Part P:

Notifiable works​

• The installation of a new circuit
• The replacement of a consumer unit
• Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location

Non- notifiable works​

• All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

For scheme registration as a domestic installer you will require the following, taken from the NICEIC website as an example:

To apply for our Domestic Installer scheme your business must:

• Be directly engaged in Domestic Electrical Work
• Have a minimum of £2 million Public Liability Insurance in the registered trading name
• Certificates of technical qualifications achieved by the Qualified Supervisor
• Hold a current edition of BS 7671, HSR25 (E@WR89) and any other technical reference guides relevant to the range and scale of electrical work you undertake
• Maintain a record of the ongoing accuracy and consistency of test equipment used for certification and reporting purposes
• Appoint one or more Qualified Supervisor as required
• Proposed Qualified Supervisor has at least 2 years responsibility for electrical work
• Have a safe isolation and re-energisation of installations procedure in place
• Have a written Health & Safety Policy Statement and carry out risk assessments as appropriate
• Make available for assessment sufficient examples of domestic electrical installation work completed with appropriate certification in the previous 12 months by the business. It is advisable to arrange access to a selection of sites

As a side note work for family and friends can end in tears as they expect a lot for very little.

Thank you for a very comprehensive reply to my question re Part P. I have to say though that I am a bit taken aback with all that compliance. To summarise it looks like if I need to replace my own CU, I can do it if I first notify my LABC and then have them come and inspect the work and pay them I presume a substantial fee. My experience in Industrial/commercial for more years than I care to remember doesn't appear to count as I can't now carry out certain electrical work in my own home. It appears Red Tape and Beaurocricy have gone mad. It doesn't seem to be worth me trying to comply with all of the above at my age, so it looks like they have won and I may have to pay an electrician to do notifiable work in my home.You couldn't make this scenario up if you tried. Thank you once again.