Growatt

Always taught to sell benefits of own product or service, not criticise the opposition.

Still fit high end stuff so not really interested in this kind of gaming.

Get the feeling Baywa are struggling.
 
Most 1ph "budget" inverters out of Asia are pretty poorly designed, using bare-minimum spec components. There's only a few brands I would touch to be honest.

Chris West moved to SolarCentury in Panama didn't he?
 
Intererested in your comments Andy. I take it when you say there are only a few brands you would touch, you are referring to Asian products.

Knowing the depth of your knowledge and experience, plus the due diligence you undertake before selling anything would be really helpful to know which ones you would touch (whether you sell them or not).

Seem to get at least an email a week offering yet another brand I have never heard of. Also wonder if some of this is like Chinese car audio where the same unit is dressed up with different buttons and facia, then punted out as different brands at different prices.
 
Seem to get at least an email a week offering yet another brand I have never heard of. Also wonder if some of this is like Chinese car audio where the same unit is dressed up with different buttons and facia, then punted out as different brands at different prices.

That's certainly true. I know one well-known brand which doesn't manufacture its own 3-phase inverters. It gets them made by another brand.

Saying that, there are many brands which are active elsewhere but unknown in the UK. Sungrow and Huawei were very late entrants to the UK market.
 
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I wouldn't necessarily put them in the same category as the car audio example you gave to be honest, there are very few "re-badged" inverters out there that have the same innards, as far as I know. There are some that have been re-branded along the way, due to commercial integration, or mergers etc (P1/ABB, SMA/Zeversolar/Danfoss), or geographical restriction agreements between two different manufacturers, where the OEM licences the product to the other company, under a different brand for example (AE/Steca, Eltek/Danfoss etc).

In terms of 1ph budget units from Asia, everyone has their own experience I guess, but from what I have looked into, SAJ, SofarSolar, Afore and GoodWe would perhaps be where I would draw the line. To be honest, apart from our own Afore stocks (which are very little) we are hardly active at all in the 1ph/residential market, which has been the way for a few years now really.

One problem with Chinese manufactured products like these, are that they tend to change the BOM without advising anyone or consulting their ODM partners etc. Whether through cost-saving efforts, or simply due to component suppliers changing their own products. So, if you evaluate a product initially, and approve it for use etc, you are unlikely to even know that the reliability or performance has changed, before it's too late. I guess this applies to most electronics manufacturers, but seems to be more prevalent in Chinese manufacturing. Common failure points like electrolytic capacitors, varistors and connection relays are often cost-reduced over time, increasing the defect/PPM numbers in the field.
 
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