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[Murphynico]

Hello everyone, I'm a new homeowner member and would be really grateful for some advice as I know virtually nothing about electrics. My question/worry involves two single ovens I've just had fitted that the electrician has plugged into a double socket. There is also an isolation switch fitted in the cupboard. I have read that a double socket is good for 20 amps, these two ovens are 2.85kw each and are fitted with 13 amp plugs. Doesn't this add up to 26 amps being used if both ovens are on at the same time? Isn't that a potential fire hazard? Previously in the same place was a slot in double oven cooker wired in with a thick cable. I have also had an induction hob fitted and that has been wired in. I have mentioned my worries to the electrician who tried to explain things to me (went over my head) and ultimately said a double socket is fine. But I'm still unsure and it's niggling me.

I've attached a photo. Any help would be appreciated. Thankyou

 

[James]

can you post a copy of the installation report, with the personal details removed?

It looks like a bit of a rush job, i would prefer to see a surface mount back box on that socket and the whole Assembley, screwed to the wall.

 

[brianmoooore]

"Rush" is only one of a number of applicable adjectives to this job, I fear. IP issues around that unmounted 'flush' box for a start.
2.85kW at 230V = 12.4A, which is a bit close to the limit for continuous current through a 13A plug in any case. The ovens won't be drawing this current continuously when they're up to temperature, but will be for a considerable time before that. I'd expect to see deterioration of the plug and socket after a year or two of use for that reason alone, even if the sockets were single ones.
Yes, the limit the manufacturers state for a double 13A socket is around 20A, but can that be exceeded here, anyway? What size is the cable going into that socket, and what does it connect to at it's other end? Does it go back to the consumer unit?

 

[Pete999]

A bodge job if ever I saw one, no IP protection on the cable entry, box not fixed, and the JB is ll wrong. Did an electrician do this? if so he want's to give up. Terrible job,

 

[DPG]

That wants re-doing, it is a complete mess. No professional electrician who has any pride in their work would do that.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Hello everyone, I'm a new homeowner member and would be really grateful for some advice as I know virtually nothing about electrics. My question/worry involves two single ovens I've just had fitted that the electrician has plugged into a double socket. There is also an isolation switch fitted in the cupboard. I have read that a double socket is good for 20 amps, these two ovens are 2.85kw each and are fitted with 13 amp plugs. Doesn't this add up to 26 amps being used if both ovens are on at the same time? Isn't that a potential fire hazard? Previously in the same place was a slot in double oven cooker wired in with a thick cable. I have also had an induction hob fitted and that has been wired in. I have mentioned my worries to the electrician who tried to explain things to me (went over my head) and ultimately said a double socket is fine. But I'm still unsure and it's niggling me.View attachment 63687 I've attached a photo. Any help would be appreciated. Thankyou

Completely agree with the other replies. That is appalling and dangerous. No electrician, even a half decent one would do a job like that. Frustrating to see!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

That wants re-doing, it is a complete mess. No professional electrician who has any pride in their work would do that.

Beat me to it by seconds!?

 

[telectrix]

agree. it's an abortion. about as bad as what i seen today. there'll be a thread soon.

there's a coupleofmembers in yorkshire. 1 maybe close enough to turn a donkey's dangler into something safe.

 

[ipf]

I'll agree it's crap work.

A couple of things....did those moulded plugs come with the ovens?
If so, they are meant to be plugged in. The current rating seems high, though.

One thing definitely wrong regarding load.... as said previously, double sockets are required to handle a maximum of 20amps.

 

[Murphynico]

can you post a copy of the installation report, with the personal details removed?

It looks like a bit of a rush job, i would prefer to see a surface mount back box on that socket and the whole Assembley, screwed to the wall.

Thankyou. Installation report? Haven't had one. Though the electrician hasn't finished yet, I've a couple of plugs to be put in elsewhere. Perhaps I'll get it when he's finished....

 

[Murphynico]

I'll agree it's crap work.

A couple of things....did those moulded plugs come with the ovens?
If so, they are meant to be plugged in. The current rating seems high, though.

One thing definitely wrong regarding load.... as said previously, double sockets are required to handle a maximum of 20amps.

Thankyou. Yes the ovens came with the moulded plugs. I chose ovens with plugs on as the electrician said more power would have to be added if I bought ovens requiring hard wiring (or words to that effect!)

 

[James]

well, above is a snapshot of what electricians think to his installation so far.
feel free to point him in the direction of the forum if he wants to read or respond.

however, you should be expecting and insisting on some paperwork.
if it includes a new circuit, then it should be an electrical installation report.
if it is just a change to an existing circuit it should be a minor works certificate.

either way, it should be designed, installed, tested, certified. In that order.

 

[Murphynico]

agree. it's an abortion. about as bad as what i seen today. there'll be a thread soon.

there's a coupleofmembers in yorkshire. 1 maybe close enough to turn a donkey's dangler into something safe.

Thankyou. Now I'm really worried. Is there something wrong other than the plugs hanging mid air in a double socket?

 

[James]

Thankyou. Yes the ovens came with the moulded plugs. I chose ovens with plugs on as the electrician said more power would have to be added if I bought ovens requiring hard wiring (or words to that effect!)

2 x single sockets would have been better and more likely to comply with the reg's.
however there are issues with what has been shown that are far away from the standards of most professional electricians.

 

[DPG]

Looks like a floating junction box with cables just loose and flapping about as well. Definitely not to regs!!