reg 134.1.1

shanky887614 · Apr 19, 2015

can people please read up on it, people keep quoting the reg pre amendment.

we can follow amendment 2 or 3 at the moment but we should strive to use the new regulations to save confusion.

134.1.1

Good workmanship by skilled or instructed persons and proper materials shall be used in the erection of the electrical installation. The installation of the electrical equipment shall take account of the manufacture's

Resu · Apr 19, 2015

Take it this is aimed at me? Not coughed up for a new book yet [emoji54]

Resu · Apr 19, 2015

Just to add, I blame you Shanky as I have just bought a pair of CK ferrule crimpers like the Knipex ones you linked to!

shanky887614 · Apr 20, 2015

Resu said:
Just to add, I blame you Shanky as I have just bought a pair of CK ferrule crimpers like the Knipex ones you linked to!

fair enough i deserve it, there the best crimpers i have used

Resu · Apr 20, 2015

Will let you know when I try mine out! Waiting to see if I get given the new regs book when I go for my last week of college before I buy one, not holding my breath though!

Leesparkykent · Apr 20, 2015

Resu said:
Take it this is aimed at me? Not coughed up for a new book yet [emoji54]

It's only competent has changed to skilled and under their supervision to instructed. Also the bit shanky mentioned earlier about "take account" instead of in accordance.

shanky887614 · Apr 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
It's only competent has changed to skilled and under their supervision to instructed.

you forgot the last line has changed from installed in acordance to manufacturers instructions to take account of

bassically instead of having to install it to the instructions we have to take it under advisement and install it the way we feel is best

Resu · Apr 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
It's only competent has changed to skilled and under their supervision to instructed.

"shall be installed in accordance with" and "shall take account of" could be interpreted quite differently IMO.

shanky887614 · Apr 20, 2015

Resu said:
"shall be installed in accordance with" and "shall take account of" could be interpreted quite differently IMO.

yup

happysteve · Apr 20, 2015

I welcome this change. Installing "in accordance with" these instructions doesn't seem wise. I would much rather "take account" of them...

shanky887614 · Apr 20, 2015

im glad i started this thread, its interesting to hear other people's views on the changes

Andy78 · Apr 20, 2015

I have to say that I've been following the amendment 3 version of manufacturer's instructions guidance since day dot anyway. A lot of them don't make any more sense than a tired toddler anyway.

alanl · Apr 20, 2015

It is to take into account the useless instructions printed by some of the Manufacturers.
A cooker I did recently was one -
Must be installed by an NICEIC aproved Electrician.
Must be protected by a 32A circuit breaker.
Must be supplied with a 10mm sq cable.

I rang them up about it, the repsonse was "oh, well, those are standard terms we put in most of the cooker instructions, if they don't apply to that model, then ignore them".
But to the green book, they couldnt be ignored, it would be a deviation.
Now, we can read the instructions, agree that they are not relevant to this installation, and do what we thing is required to make it safe.

I think the main one is fan fusing / isolation. BS7671 requires single or 2 pole isolation (on single phase). Fan instructions require 3 pole isolators for timed fans. Why not put a 2 pole isolator further down(up?) stream, to do away with the 3 pole isolator.
You can do that now - it is still as safe as the manufacturers instructions, just the isolator is not as they specify.

nickblake · Apr 20, 2015

and then there is the light fittings that will only take 1 x 1mm cable what the hell are you suposed to do with an in out loop oh yes as instruction say install in a terminal block and wrap up in tape or if there is a loop connect to terminal block provided then wr in tape and leave outside enclosure grrrrrrrrr then torque to 3.5 nm when there friggin screw drive only does 3.4 or 3.6 arrghhhh