why do kitchen fitters have such a bad rep?

That's one of the better ones, they must be 'qualified'.

ruston said:

That's one of the better ones, they must be 'qualified'.

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Part P qualified!

Richard Burns said:

Part P qualified!

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Does that mean that hundreds (thousands) of very competent and experienced sparky's who have to be part "P" to undertake their day to day work are a bunch of numpty's then?

Part P has its downsides BUT why did they remove kitchens from the notifiable list? I see more DIY / Kev the kitchen fitter bodges in kitchens than anywhere else in houses.

Next on my list are bathrooms where "fitters" blatantly ignore the regs and Part P!


Just saying

sparksburnout said:

Does that mean that hundreds (thousands) of very competent and experienced sparky's who have to be part "P" to undertake their day to day work are a bunch of numpty's then?

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Part P is not a qualification, it is a building regulation!:lol:
However the kitchen fitters may say they are Part P qualified which has little meaning.
Part P registered is a different thing.

Richard Burns said:

Part P is not a qualification, it is a building regulation!:lol:
However the kitchen fitters may say they are Part P qualified which has little meaning.
Part P registered is a different thing.

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Yes I am aware of what it is, I didn't say it was a qualification, it is a requirement for a lot of sparks. It does not mean that they are at the level of kitchen fitters.

Murdoch said:

Part P has its downsides BUT why did they remove kitchens from the notifiable list? I see more DIY / Kev the kitchen fitter bodges in kitchens than anywhere else in houses.

Next on my list are bathrooms where "fitters" blatantly ignore the regs and Part P!


Just saying

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Fitted a new bathroom pull switch for my sister in law the other day and when testing post repair found the new metal light fitting was showing a voltage, on closer inspection found there was no earth wire, the person who fitted was 'qualified' and registered with Elecsa. Think he must have missed the day in his five week course where they covered the regs! An hour later and after scrabbling about in loft insulation and the lifting of loft boards all was well

Here are two pics of a hob/oven fitted by a kitchen fitter/handyman. Could I please have a look at it as we are getting a shock from the hob.
That is 1.5mm , and that is as the oven was drawn out. The cover was missing for obvious reasons.
The extractor was wired into a junction box direct to cooker wiring . The earth was cut off because it was tripping the RCD.

Pics file too big , I will post more when I downsize them.

Here is the other one.

ruston said:

Here is the other one.

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Crikey!

That is special. :dunce2:

Simonslimline said:

Crikey!

That is special. :dunce2:

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There are others much worse , but they are on my Ipad.
I will have to send them to laptop and downsize them.
It is as bad as I have seen to be honest.

ruston said:

there are others much worse , but they are on my ipad.
I will have to send them to laptop and downsize them.
It is as bad as i have seen to be honest.

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worse??

sparksburnout said:

worse??

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Well maybe not lol. But no cooker outlet or switch, all cables in a junction box behind units ,and in the old rotting metal back box with no cover on.
It is on a BS3036 with stand alone RCD.
I will post the rest of the pics tomorrow.

Nowt wrong with any of that, I mean, it's all getting hidden away where no one can see and as everyone knows from their childhood, if no one saw, it didn't happen... ;o) That's the way it works, right?

Mind you at least no one died and nothing is on fire. I'd love to show you the photos from what a "kitchen fitter" did to my house... But there was nothing to photograph in the end! Mind you I use the term "kitchen fitter" loosely - the island was at a different height to the rest of the work tops, the sink drain had a rise in it, units were installed higher than the width of the kick boards and the ONE join in the worktops in my kitchen was just butted up and stuck together with "no more nails" - I was away when all this was done. They were not paid and asked to leave...

As for the wiring, a monster radial of 6 double sockets, dishwasher, and cooker all taken off a single spur that was supplying the fridge (the kitchen used to be the living room, the house has been swapped around a lot!), cooker connection caught fire, live and neutral were reversed, water ingress into a JB they had installed (which, thankfully, tripped the RCD which got me looking closely), and one double socket fed from three different points from the same "radial" they had created that then went on to power the LED lighting I have in the kitchen. No exaggerations, that was how they did it. I've had down stairs rewired since, which was what set me on to thinking about actually doing this myself.