why do kitchen fitters have such a bad rep?

[dawsirn]

Not sure why there's so much negativity about kitchen fitters doing there own wiring. I've always found there work to be top notch.

Just today I found a kitchen install that had me thinking I've been doing things the hard way all these years for no good reason!

The amount of time wasted over the years installing cables in safe zones, removing and making safe unused spurs and sockets and generally altering circuits properly when I could have been using junction boxes, connectors and tape as they're only going to be tiled over anyway! I guess it doesn't matter if cables aren't in safe zones as it's unlikely anyone is ever going to screw anything onto the wall above.

Other good stuff found was the spur taken of a spur, the live cables hanging out the wall with tape over the ends, two more spurs with tape and connectors left to be tiled over, loose back boxes, various loose connections, outer sheath not entering back boxes (and the lovely JB's) and a insulation resistance fault in one of the spurs but the two photos should highlight the superb workmanship. This is from a well known large kitchen retailer too.

In case your wandering I was there to wire in downlights and UFH controls. I did make the client aware of this mess but can't imagine much happening as kitchen in being fitted next week.

 

[ruston]

The thing that is worrying is this is one that was found , how many are there that are lurking?
This house had two youngish children living there.

There was no local isolator if this hob/oven needed to be pulled out .

 

[snowhead]

So with all the issues above are we suggesting Part P isn't working??

I'm stunned I thought it was meant to make the whole Country safer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[telectrix]

So with all the issues above are we suggesting Part P isn't working??

I'm stunned I thought it was meant to make the whole Country safer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

of course it has. along with the advent of the Electrical Trainee's. it's making everone fit metal CUs. much safer than those dangerous plastic rubbish. :hurray:

 

[ruston]

To be honest , the work in the pics I depicted is just ignorance,and downright stupidity. This person would do work like this no matter what legislation is in place.
The kitchen installation was little better. just a born bodger.

 

[snowhead]

of course it has. along with the advent of the Electrical Trainee's. it's making everyone fit metal CUs. much safer than those dangerous plastic rubbish. :hurray:

Silly I was forgetting, I don't see all those houses going up in smoke anymore.

 

[Octopus]

So with all the issues above are we suggesting Part P isn't working??

I'm stunned I thought it was meant to make the whole Country safer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Part P doesn't apply in England to kitchens unless it has a new circuit - so blaming Part P is not relevant......

 

[telectrix]

OK. blame "defined scope", and all the other CPS money making schemes that encourage under-trained muppets to work on electrical installations.

 

[stevethesparks]

I had a simple cooker swap over to do for a landlord a week ago - or so I thought.
The original isolator was just below worktop height and behind the cooker. Before re-locating with a new switch and installing an outlet plate, it was also found that the main earthing conductor was not even in place, never mind connected, and the main water bond was loose. In addition the cooker mcb was faulty. The house had no rcd protection whatsoever.
The cooker cabling was surface mounted+trunking with no socket outlet so rcd not required for the alterations.
A young couple with child living there. Corrections made and landlord advised how dangerous the situation had been, I also advised to upgrade the CU along with some testing.
Of course no reply.

 

[Octopus]

OK. blame "defined scope", and all the other CPS money making schemes that encourage under-trained muppets to work on electrical installations.

Not sure I agree with that. The blame, 90% of the time is the "other" trades and handymen who do electrics and have no understanding of the regs .................

A "handyman" near me advertises doing electrics, yet doesn't have ANY test kit - what a muppet, yet nobody is done to stop this happening and it seems to me that its more prevalent these days...

 

[ruston]

A few more from the same install. The JB was to replace the original cooker switch. The pic in the unit is the old outlet, and did not have a cover on,and shown is the 1.5mm supply to the hob and oven. The wire with the cut off earth is to the extractor, the earth was cut because it was tripping the RCD. The old back box speaks for its self.

 

[telectrix]

A few more from the same install. The JB was to replace the original cooker switch. The pic in the unit is the old outlet, and did not have a cover on,and shown is the 1.5mm supply to the hob and oven. The wire with the cut off earth is to the extractor, the earth was cut because it was tripping the RCD. The old back box speaks for its self.

nowt wrong there, once it's all plastered in. as long as the extractor is class II. :shout:

 

[Adam W]

Part P is not a qualification, it is a building regulation!:lol:
However the kitchen fitters may say they are Part P qualified which has little meaning.
Part P registered is a different thing.

How would you describe the City & Guilds 2393 if it's not a qualification?

 

[Midwest]

How would you describe the City & Guilds 2393 if it's not a qualification?

I stupidly did that one, and it's just like the 17th edition, just reading through a book and taking a multi choice exam at the end. You don't learn nothing much. Though some employers & schemes require the 17th. It look good though on your cv until they check out what the 2393 is.