Advice for Mini Oven

Kez 8 · May 11, 2016

Hi folks,
I have a mini oven /grill. The maker is ~Severin , I think they are maybe a German company... Received the oven, brand new via Ebay....It is a nice looking / quality machine however it has a two pin plug....
Can I use a reguler three pin plastic converter so I can plug in here in the UK, or would this be dangerous for an oven ? It is a 1500 W ....

telectrix · May 15, 2016

Kez 8 said:
There's no way I could do that, I am, very rurally, situated, and am ,also, without transport ......

Anyway, the nearest countryside town, which means a 14 mile cycle ride for me , there and back, doesnt even have an electrical service shop...

being so remote, are you sure that you have electrickery supply?

Kez 8 · May 15, 2016

telectrix said:
being so remote, are you sure that you have electrickery supply?

Um......You can't fool me.....:nono: Otherwise how would I be able to use my comp , eh ! ? Smarty pants ! :laugh3:

telectrix · May 15, 2016

can't fool me. lappy bluetooth tethered to mobile phone on mobile data. recharged from car smoke lighter or a dynamo driven from a push bike. i've lived in wales, been there , done that, got the blisters.

DPG · May 15, 2016

I really wouldn't use an adaptor plug on something that is of high current consumption like this is. Fit a proper plug. Daz

telectrix · May 15, 2016

6.5A is high current????? still prefer to see a bs1363 stuck in the flex though.

Kez 8 · May 15, 2016

telectrix said:
can't fool me. lappy bluetooth tethered to mobile phone on mobile data. recharged from car smoke lighter or a dynamo driven from a push bike. i've lived in wales, been there , done that, got the blisters.

DRAT ! You guessed ! :veryangry2:

Kez 8 · May 15, 2016

telectrix said:
6.5A is high current????? still prefer to see a bs1363 stuck in the flex though.

So What is a bs1363 ? ..BS, something to do with Bull S**T isn't it ? ... :smilielol5:

Look at what's happened now, you and Daz are about to come to blows over my fussing,

...and it's ALL my Fault ! :sad:

Honestly, I don't know wether to laugh or cry.... Right now the later I think .....:33::33::furious3::furious3::furious3::83: Anyone else want to join the party ? ..... :30:

When Kez crows they come to blows ! :bigcry:

telectrix · May 15, 2016

BS1363 plug:

[ElectriciansForums.net] Advice for Mini Oven

Kez 8 · May 15, 2016

telectrix said:
BS1363 plug:

View attachment 32185

Yay ! Now I know !!! :smiley2:

DPG · May 16, 2016

Have you seen some of those euro adaptors? I wouldn't power an oven through them. Daz

Kez 8 · May 16, 2016

DPG said:
Have you seen some of those euro adaptors? I wouldn't power an oven through them. Daz

Thanx 4 the warning ,Daz…

Yes, I scrolled through a few of those Euro adapter thingys on Ebay… flip open the lid and place the 2 pin inside.. looked a bit of a flimsy job to me so I, instinctively felt they weren’t right for my oven …
.....I want to toast my food, not ME ! :sad_smile:

Kez 8 · May 16, 2016

UPDATE -

Hi folks, just heard back from the Ebay seller, he wanted to know if there was anything written on the cable, hadn't noticed it before, but, Yes, there is, indeed, writing on it ! :hurray:

As Follows - Enjoy !

VDE HO5RR - F 300 / 500V 3GO.75mm2
HUASHENG ELECTRICAL INDUSTRIAL CO. LTD
N / 40016788

Richard Burns · May 16, 2016

So to summarise
You have a 1500W 28L Severin 2036 mini oven.
The oven has a specified voltage of 230V 50Hz.
The oven instructions state that the appliance must be earthed.
The oven is supplied with a power cord that is a 3 core cable with EPR (rubber) insulation and sheathing of a cross sectional diameter of 0.75mm².
The plug on the end is a two pin plug suitable for European sockets (and presumably has a metal plate near the top of the inside face that would be an earth connector) suitable to take a voltage up to maximum 250V and a current up to maximum 13A.

Therefore the oven would take about 6.5A at full load (top and bottom elements heating).
From this the cable is probably just about OK for the fixed load of the oven.(normally classified as 6A but if supplied with the appliance should be OK)
The cable is 3 core flex so it can be safely connected to a BS1363 plug (a normal UK plug). However identification of the cable cores colours and connections would be useful prior to cutting off the plug so that the earth can be correctly identified and so connected to the BS1363 plug.
The plug should have a fuse of preferably 10A (5A or 3A would be too small and 13A might be overdoing it, but would be acceptable according to the general rules on testing appliances).

I would suggest that if you want to use a Euro to UK adaptor that you ensure it is one that is rated for 13A such as this or this, as there are many only rated for 3 or 5A or may not continue the earthing.

The best method of approach would be to identify where the cores of the cables go to the existing plug, remove the existing plug and securely and correctly connect a standard UK plug fitted with a 10A fuse.
The oven should then work correctly and safely.

DPG · May 16, 2016

Richard Burns said:
So to summarise
You have a 1500W 28L Severin 2036 mini oven.
The oven has a specified voltage of 230V 50Hz.
The oven instructions state that the appliance must be earthed.
The oven is supplied with a power cord that is a 3 core cable with EPR (rubber) insulation and sheathing of a cross sectional diameter of 0.75mm².
The plug on the end is a two pin plug suitable for European sockets (and presumably has a metal plate near the top of the inside face that would be an earth connector) suitable to take a voltage up to maximum 250V and a current up to maximum 13A.

Therefore the oven would take about 6.5A at full load (top and bottom elements heating).
From this the cable is probably just about OK for the fixed load of the oven.(normally classified as 6A but if supplied with the appliance should be OK)
The cable is 3 core flex so it can be safely connected to a BS1363 plug (a normal UK plug). However identification of the cable cores colours and connections would be useful prior to cutting off the plug so that the earth can be correctly identified and so connected to the BS1363 plug.
The plug should have a fuse of preferably 10A (5A or 3A would be too small and 13A might be overdoing it, but would be acceptable according to the general rules on testing appliances).

I would suggest that if you want to use a Euro to UK adaptor that you ensure it is one that is rated for 13A such as this or this, as there are many only rated for 3 or 5A or may not continue the earthing.

The best method of approach would be to identify where the cores of the cables go to the existing plug, remove the existing plug and securely and correctly connect a standard UK plug fitted with a 10A fuse.
The oven should then work correctly and safely.

Nicely summed up there Richard. Daz

Kez 8 · May 16, 2016

Hi Richard, Wow ! is all I can say ....:iagree: DARE I do do otherwise after all that !
Ok, you win, I'll hack off the offending 2 pin......

telectrix · May 16, 2016

and switch on with a pool cue.

Kez 8 · May 16, 2016

telectrix said:
and switch on with a pool cue.

How Cwool of you, to doubt my plug affixing skills ! :6: .... :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

Kez 8 · May 18, 2016

Ummm, I know, I know ! :sad3: ... haven’t , as yet ,removed the 2 pin, as I wish to ensure I will be getting the colour cords inserted into the correct positions within the 3 pin plug. I am assuming the Earth, Live and Neutral will differ from the UK ? So which cords, exactly, will go where, Please ?

Kez 8 · May 18, 2016

Yay, ! All is well, got confirmation from the Ebay Guy, Colour coding is the same as the UK, So, Party time :lol:

arty:

If the penny had dropped in this somewhat of a density of a skull of mine in the first place , I wouldn’t have had to go all round the houses for it .. LOL ! …..:dunce2::dunce2: :lol:

Richard Burns · May 18, 2016

You could possibly have taken the back off the oven and seen what colour cable went to what terminals.
For a non UK made cable the colour combinations can be extremely varied, it is useful in this case that the cable has UK colours.

Hope all goes well.

Kez 8 · May 19, 2016

Richard Burns said:
You could possibly have taken the back off the oven and seen what colour cable went to what terminals.
For a non UK made cable the colour combinations can be extremely varied.

For anyone interested ….

https://www.gadgetspeak.com/gadget/article.rhtm/753/644073/Severin_KM3888_Food_Processor.html

Just did a bit of research on the company….
Briefly here's what somebody had to say about a Severin Food processor …

“ . When I received the processor, I was immediately impressed with the quality of the manufacture and the care taken in the design “

The words above echo, Exactly, my own feelings about my mini oven, superb construction, even though its 2 pin thingy is causing me such bloomin' grief…… :confused5:

Thank you for your timely words, Richard, ..Hmmm, well, it appears I am receiving some mixed messages ….. I am not at all sure how the Ebay guy knows exactly what colour cords I will find once I have chopped off the plug, (After all Severin IS ~German, not a UK make..)

I have, again, written back to him, to gain further clarity …

There is ~No, Way, on the face of this planet, I am going to remove the back of the unit :nonod:….

I will see what the guy says, and IF, I still have my doubts, I will be settling for one of those Schuko converter plugs…which is the next best thing …

Kez 8 · May 19, 2016

Richard, I have to say I find the response from the Ebay seller to be rather compelling,

Please find below our email exchange as follows :

ME –

“ For the record, I sure would like to know how you are so sure that, once I’ve removed the plug , I will find that the coloured cords will be the same as the UK ?
When I have learnt elsewhere that with a non UK made cable ( Severin is a German make ) the colour combinations can be extremely varied ???? “

EBAY GUY’S RESPONSE –

“ European law bought into force the Harmonised cable directive, which meant that all new electrical products made after 2006, using electrical cable and flex had to use the same colour codes.
your oven is using HO5VV-F3X0.75 3 core flex, it should definitely be using these colours to identify live neutral and earth.
When you cut the plug off, if you see different colours, I would be very interested to know… “

~~~~~~~~
End of response.

I would be ~Most, interested to learn what your estimation is regarding his words ? ?? :whatchutalkingabout

DPG · May 19, 2016

Cut the plug off. Check the colours. Fit new plug. Don't use an adaptor. Cook some food. Daz

telectrix · May 19, 2016

time this thread has been running, all the food he was going to cook has passed it's use by date and gone mouldy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO5GWJJP3FM

Richard Burns · May 19, 2016

I think you need to make a decision about what you are going to do rather than continue to agonise about it.

The chap from Ebay is correct that the cable colours in Europe have been harmonised to be the same across all countries in Europe.
Live (or line) is brown, Neutral is blue, earth is green and yellow.
Your cable is made by a Chinese manufacturer who may not be aware of this.
However that manufacturer is a major specialist in flexible cables, distributing across the world and so should get things right.

Just choose an option and go for it.
If it does not work then you can choose another option later.

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