Hi all, question about notfiable work as I'm qualified but not registered yet?

Clinton Weedon · Oct 11, 2016

Hi guys, so any (quick) advise on this will be appreciated, I've got my part P, 17th and 94/95 qualifications however I'm not registered yet. So how do I go about issuing Certs and who should I contact to notify my work? I'm in London..

bigspark17 · Oct 11, 2016

What do you mean youve got part p??

Taylortwocities · Oct 11, 2016

bigspark17 said:
What do you mean youve got part p??

Good question. I've always wondered how you get a qualification in a Building Regulation.!

Clinton, you can go write out certs, once you have done the necessary testing.

For notification, you either contact the LABC and raise a Building Notice for each job (expensive), or join one of the schemes that let you notify for a couple of quid a time.,

More info here

Dan · Oct 11, 2016

Everybody keeps banging on about these: Part P CPS - https://www.stroma.com/certification/installer-certification-schemes/part-p-cps-scheme

Spoon · Oct 11, 2016

bigspark17 said:
What do you mean youve got part p??

maybe the OPs of that age where bladder control may be an issue... you know, when you cough and a squire shoots out..... oh, just me again eh.....

Taylortwocities · Oct 11, 2016

Dan said:
Everybody keeps banging on about these: Part P CPS - https://www.stroma.com/certification/installer-certification-schemes/part-p-cps-scheme

Other CPS schemes are available …

telectrix · Oct 11, 2016

a squire? one belonging to the knights that say Ni ?

[ElectriciansForums.net] Hi all, question about notfiable work as I'm qualified but not registered yet?

buzzlightyear · Oct 11, 2016

how come a gas man does his reg every 5 years, and sparks every year with a money grapping schemes
providers I forgot is it help them to pay for a new call centre (niceic), is it plc company yet

Deleted member 26818 · Oct 11, 2016

A lot of work doesn't need notification.
Only new CUs, work within the zones of a bath/shower room or a new circuit require notification.
Just issue EICs and MEIWCs as normal.

Clinton Weedon · Oct 11, 2016

bigspark17 said:
What do you mean youve got part p??

Haha - yes sorry not "qualified in Part P" but still wrote a test on it

Thanks for the replies, I think ill do third party through NICEIC for now but I think ill go for DI...

Deleted member 9648 · Oct 11, 2016

I hear the phrase, 'I've done my part P' on a fairly regular basis. It's astonishing how many people still think it's a qualification.

sparksburnout · Oct 11, 2016

"Haha - yes sorry not "qualified in Part P" but still wrote a test on it" Could you explain what this statement means, exactly?

Deleted member 26818 · Oct 11, 2016

I believe the Part P qualification is the C&G 2393-10.
A bit like having the 17th or C&G 2382-15.

sparksburnout · Oct 11, 2016

Taylortwocities said:
Good question. I've always wondered how you get a qualification in a Building Regulation.!

Clinton, you can go write out certs, once you have done the necessary testing.

For notification, you either contact the LABC and raise a Building Notice for each job (expensive), or join one of the schemes that let you notify for a couple of quid a time.,

More info here

It's simple, look....
"If you are an experienced electrician looking to upgrade your knowledge and qualifications to encompass the Part P building regulations, this course was made for you. The City & Guilds 2393 Part P will help prove your competence and knowledge of the Part P building regulations which will help when you need to register with a governing body and work as a domestic Part P installer.

This Level 3 Certificate in the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings 2393-10 is for qualified and experienced electricians. "

What a load of rollocks. so your an experienced electrician, and you need to shell out £180 for a one day course to become a part "P" expert.

rolyberkin · Oct 11, 2016

Clinton Weedon said:
Hi guys, so any (quick) advise on this will be appreciated, I've got my part P, 17th and 94/95 qualifications however I'm not registered yet. So how do I go about issuing Certs and who should I contact to notify my work? I'm in London..

Have you got a suitable Level 3 qualification as per the Part P legislation at Electrotechnical Assessment Specification - EAS - IET Electrical - http://electrical.------.org/building-regulations/eas/index.cfm ? If not you will struggle to register with a scheme, if you haven't some schemes allow exemptions for proven experience.

Without sounding blunt you can write a certificate, you cannot notify work unless you either pre-notify the local building control (LABC) prior to work starting, work under a building control notice (for an extension) or pay a fee to the LABC.

bigspark17 · Oct 12, 2016

Its training centres using the part p building regs document that people have vaguely heard of, rewording it and turning it into a money making one day course which gives you nothing extra qualification wise! THERE IS NO PART P COURSE PEOPLE!

Midwest · Oct 12, 2016

bigspark17 said:
Its training centres using the part p building regs document that people have vaguely heard of, rewording it and turning it into a money making one day course which gives you nothing extra qualification wise! THERE IS NO PART P COURSE PEOPLE!

There is a course and there is a qualification, City & Guilds 2393. Whether it is of any benefit to anyone is another matter. I undertook this course together with 2392 on my return to the industry. Did I get value for money for the 2393, or could I just of read the electricians building regs book, not sure.

bigspark17 · Oct 12, 2016

Midwest said:
There is a course and there is a qualification, City & Guilds 2393. Whether it is of any benefit to anyone is another matter. I undertook this course together with 2392 on my return to the industry. Did I get value for money for the 2393, or could I just of read the electricians building regs book, not sure.

Well i doubt any credible employer would be impressed with that one day qualification! Im certainly not

Midwest · Oct 12, 2016

Seeing though I'm a sole trader, I'm easily pleased. As an aby, when I did it there was one student, who ran a smallish company. He was under the illusion that doing said course entitle him to do notifications without being in a scheme. He should of read the course details!

Guitarist · Oct 16, 2016

Surely if you have shelled out a lot of cash to get a "Part P" qualification, the instructors should have gone through exactly what that actually means, and what you can do without notification. Why did you complete a part P course if it hasn't culminated in you joining one of the schemes at the end of it?

Midwest · Oct 16, 2016

Guitarist said:
Surely if you have shelled out a lot of cash to get a "Part P" qualification, the instructors should have gone through exactly what that actually means, and what you can do without notification. Why did you complete a part P course if it hasn't culminated in you joining one of the schemes at the end of it?

I was re-joining the industry after some years. Thought I needed to do some re training, so along with the initial testing I did this one, to bring myself up to date on Building regs. Of course with hindsight I might have just read the book. However the day was also spent chatting to other sparks, and I gained some more knowledge from them, so the money wasn't entirely wasted.

Bigboy247 · Oct 24, 2016

If you speak to your local building control they will tell you what they except in the form of qualifications. Test and inspect and issue the certificate , send a copy of the inspection and 17th edition and suitable inspection and testing qualification ie 2391. Pay the fee which varies and building control will except your findings and issue a building notice. The local building control for each area has different fees and have the forms for the building notice online . I do not belong to a scheme and test and inspect for councils and courts around the uk and have been asked by the courts not to be associated or affiliated with an scheme, so when I do domestic notifiable work I go through LBC and they always give me a professional discount .

Midwest · Oct 24, 2016

Please tell more, I'm currently paying £500+ each year to belong to a scheme, so that when needed I can self notify. Is yours a cheaper option?

Bigboy247 · Oct 24, 2016

Depends on the LBC speak to them and see what discount they give you, all depends on how many notifiable jobs you are putting through them. Only you will know and work the cost out there are pros and cons for both sides/

Midwest · Oct 25, 2016

Bigboy247 said:
Depends on the LBC speak to them and see what discount they give you, all depends on how many notifiable jobs you are putting through them. Only you will know and work the cost out there are pros and cons for both sides/

Having never spoken to my LBC on the subject, I can only express my view. Current notification fee with my LBC outside of a scheme, is £494 & regularisation cert £618. On the application it quotes;

'Where an approved installer is not used for the electrical installation (which may form part of other works to the property eg an extension) then evidence that safety standards have been achieved will be required before a Completion Certificate can be issued. This will also apply to DIY installations. The Local Authority will arrange for inspection and testing of the installation and a charge of £400 +VAT will be made to cover the costs'.

Does you LBC offer another system, other than being part of a scheme? And if they do, how do they assess your competency (not suggesting your not)?

So I foresee two issues, 1) proving competency & 2) securing a large discount on the application fee, against paying an annual subscription to a scheme (I've done about 10 notifications via my scheme this year).

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