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So seeing post ads on local community groups on Facebook advertising Kitchen and bathroom refute minor electrical work done.

This really gets my back up and think the system is a complete joke. They may have served a electeical apprentiship for 4years like most of us, but probably just done a part p course for 2 weeks and become 'qualified'. How do they have knowledge and experience in 2 weeks ? Is there a register that only people with apprentiships can go on ? I'm thinking of just getting a gold card for the sake of showing customers.


Gggrrrrr
 
So who would you want to do the electrics in your kitchen or bathroom refit a boil in the bag/Electrical Trainee who has got this part P T&I &17th and done practically in a booth with no/little on-site experience or an apprentice who has not got formal qualifications but has four years experience?
 
anthonybragg said:
So who would you want to do the electrics in your kitchen or bathroom refit a boil in the bag/Electrical Trainee who has got this part P T&I &17th and done practically in a booth with no/little on-site experience or an apprentice who has not got formal qualifications but has four years experience?
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None of em I would do it myself:p
 
anthonybragg said:
Well I suppose the hardest thing for you is to decide which tool to use:rolleyes:.
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Not really, just the right tool for the job, the difficult part is making sure (or should that be Shir) the tools are returned to their proper slot, and some thieving so and so ain't put them in their own tool bag, "camerabloke"
 
Customers do not usually ask about training or qualifications, or request a full history of training and experience. They seem to accept the builder's "electrician"or a few fancy stickers on the van. A recent one I was at, probably a proper sparky pulled the fuse and did the tails as they were squeaky tight but the rest was an absolute mess, knitted wires and terminals finger tight. Customer said they had an awful job with it tripping and pulled up floor boards again.
 
Carrying out domestic electrical work is no big deal and certainly not rocket science
Probably most tradesmen who can handle a hammer and a screwdriver would have the skill necessary to do a half decent job (if they follow what they are told is required);)
As for testing,we tend to go way overboard with our regime
 
I suppose if someone who did do an 18 day course turn up at a customers property and do a really good job I dont think the customer would care if he done a 4 year apprenticeship or not if truth be told.
 
Likewise, never been asked by a customer to show my apprenticeship training, qualifications, ID, scheme membership, let alone be asked to provide any certs (although I do). Most of them just want to know the cheapest price, when can I start and when will it be finished, ('cos they got friends coming to stay at the weekend)!
 
To be honest I think we should show what we have. It gets to me because what was the point of doing an apprentiship when I could done a 18 day course and get paid full wack. Like whats been said . Consumers havent a clue and just want the cheapest price.
 
I was wondering about some of the latest replies, what do people think of the advertising that goes into the local rags, free magazines etc, the cost of running these publications is advertising revenue, and where do you think that comes from? Bert from down the Pub more than likely, if you believe that the editors of these rags care where the cash comes from you are mistaken, where is the policing of these adverts, that's why you are getting more and more cowboy jobs being done, because anyone can call themselves an Electrician, Plumber or whatever, there are no checks on peoples qualifications etc, still I suppose that free enterprise at work, I have seen it first hand. Sorry if it's gone off piste.
 
Massive1 said:
I suppose if someone who did do an 18 day course turn up at a customers property and do a really good job I dont think the customer would care if he done a 4 year apprenticeship or not if truth be told.
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That depends on your definition of "a really good job" - to a lot of domestic customers they want their tradesman to turn up on time in a clean van, have a tidy haircut, be 'polite' (to a lot of people this constitutes pronouncing your consonants), have a transparent pricing structure, clean up after themselves and above all, talk a good game.

Ironically none of this is taught in either course, and probably why a lot of people assume all the lucrative easy money the papers are always talking about is theirs for the taking.
 
Don't know if any of you have heard of it or registered for it but there is a new scheme called RESET its becoming mandatory if you want to undertake council or PFI maintenance work. It's basicly a scheme that allows the customer to see full QUALIFICATIONS by scanning card . Due to the Hacket report we will se more and more drive towards accreditations and accountability for design and certification in all trades. Can only be a good thing but wee Joe from down the pub will always be cheaper due to not having any formal accreditation costs and the avg householder just wants the job done as cheap as possible these days. Only larger jobs /contracts require formal checks for skilled workers and companies
 
The title of the thread was "Become an electrician in 18 days"
Now the culprits who pressed the dislikes on my post now need to post their opinions
If the customer is happy with the work carried out by the 18 day guy,who is laughing all the way to the bank,its certainly not the 4 year guy who was on low money and missed the party life due to required study time
I wish these instant "post a dislike" guys would actually take a moment to use that brain they conveniently forget is there to formulate opinion,its not just there to press the dummy button every so often, with little to no thought on the matter in hand

We operate in a trade that has a vast scope,it can entail complex calculations, a very technical mind to enable problems to be solved,it can entail a very high level of practical skill that may take years to accomplish,it may also entail basic electrical work that you can teach a monkey to perform in a few days

We have a tendency to bull up this trade as if it was some sort of occupation that was only performed by the elite in society

This trade can be a fine occupation,it can stimulate deep thinking and it has levels that even the best can struggle to attain
It also has a large section that requires very little skill (other than what can be acquired by most in a short space of time)

I have met people who took to electrics like a duck to water,they would outshine many domestic sparks after a few short weeks
I have also met many sparks who after a few years of training would not fill me with confidence if they worked without supervision
The time served is dependant on the complexity of the work that is intended,a short time training and a bit of hands on experience is about all that domestic sparking requires
 
Des 56 said:
The title of the thread was "Become an electrician in 18 days"
Now the culprits who pressed the dislikes on my post now need to post their opinions
If the customer is happy with the work carried out by the 18 day guy,who is laughing all the way to the bank,its certainly not the 4 year guy who was on low money and missed the party life due to required study time
I wish these instant "post a dislike" guys would actually take a moment to use that brain they conveniently forget is there to formulate opinion,its not just there to press the dummy button every so often, with little to no thought on the matter in hand

We operate in a trade that has a vast scope,it can entail complex calculations, a very technical mind to enable problems to be solved,it can entail a very high level of practical skill that may take years to accomplish,it may also entail basic electrical work that you can teach a monkey to perform in a few days

We have a tendency to bull up this trade as if it was some sort of occupation that was only performed by the elite in society

This trade can be a fine occupation,it can stimulate deep thinking and it has levels that even the best can struggle to attain
It also has a large section that requires very little skill (other than what can be acquired by most in a short space of time)

I have met people who took to electrics like a duck to water,they would outshine many domestic sparks after a few short weeks
I have also met many sparks who after a few years of training would not fill me with confidence if they worked without supervision
The time served is dependant on the complexity of the work that is intended,a short time training and a bit of hands on experience is about all that domestic sparking requires
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Hi Des, I was one of the dislike posters, the reason for the dis like, was not personal at all, my reason, unlike other trades, electrics cal kill instantly, and diving non trades people advice is something, I wouldn't do, as I feel is a dangerous thing to do, imagine telling a Chippy how to do something electrical, only to find he has done so, and in the process, hurt himself or a customer of his, or worse still a member of his family. Your comment about other trades can be far better work than some of the newly qualified guys, can in some cases be a true comment, however I personally try never to give advice to non electricians, as I like to sleep at night, sorry if found my dislike not to your liking, nothing personal as I have said, and neither was it a knee jerk opinion, I simply felt it was wrong, hence the dislike.
 
My question on these courses is would people feel happy with some one who had just completed a 18 day mechanics course (previous ability or experience unknown but certainly a possibility of zero). Servicing and then MOT certifying a coach that your kids went on a school trip in. That in my mind is a similar level of responsibility and skill. But I don't think the school would be using that coach provider if they found out.
 

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