Become an Electrician in 18 days!

[Octopus]

@Murdoch it has everything to do with the post. People don't care what you have as they don't understand and just use the cheapest quote. Buy cheap buy twice.

Refute ?

 

[Octopus]

@Murdoch it has everything to do with the post. People don't care what you have as they don't understand and just use the cheapest quote. Buy cheap buy twice.

Refute ?

I have looked it up on a dictionary and a thesaurus and still don’t understand ...

 

[Adam W]

I suppose if someone who did do an 18 day course turn up at a customers property and do a really good job I dont think the customer would care if he done a 4 year apprenticeship or not if truth be told.

That depends on your definition of "a really good job" - to a lot of domestic customers they want their tradesman to turn up on time in a clean van, have a tidy haircut, be 'polite' (to a lot of people this constitutes pronouncing your consonants), have a transparent pricing structure, clean up after themselves and above all, talk a good game.

Ironically none of this is taught in either course, and probably why a lot of people assume all the lucrative easy money the papers are always talking about is theirs for the taking.

 

[MG201]

Don't know if any of you have heard of it or registered for it but there is a new scheme called RESET its becoming mandatory if you want to undertake council or PFI maintenance work. It's basicly a scheme that allows the customer to see full QUALIFICATIONS by scanning card . Due to the Hacket report we will se more and more drive towards accreditations and accountability for design and certification in all trades. Can only be a good thing but wee Joe from down the pub will always be cheaper due to not having any formal accreditation costs and the avg householder just wants the job done as cheap as possible these days. Only larger jobs /contracts require formal checks for skilled workers and companies

 

[pirate]

Hmmm...I don't relish the idea of turning up and showing what I've got...
People laugh enough at me as it is, without showing them that!

 

[Des 56]

The title of the thread was "Become an electrician in 18 days"
Now the culprits who pressed the dislikes on my post now need to post their opinions
If the customer is happy with the work carried out by the 18 day guy,who is laughing all the way to the bank,its certainly not the 4 year guy who was on low money and missed the party life due to required study time
I wish these instant "post a dislike" guys would actually take a moment to use that brain they conveniently forget is there to formulate opinion,its not just there to press the dummy button every so often, with little to no thought on the matter in hand

We operate in a trade that has a vast scope,it can entail complex calculations, a very technical mind to enable problems to be solved,it can entail a very high level of practical skill that may take years to accomplish,it may also entail basic electrical work that you can teach a monkey to perform in a few days

We have a tendency to bull up this trade as if it was some sort of occupation that was only performed by the elite in society

This trade can be a fine occupation,it can stimulate deep thinking and it has levels that even the best can struggle to attain
It also has a large section that requires very little skill (other than what can be acquired by most in a short space of time)

I have met people who took to electrics like a duck to water,they would outshine many domestic sparks after a few short weeks
I have also met many sparks who after a few years of training would not fill me with confidence if they worked without supervision
The time served is dependant on the complexity of the work that is intended,a short time training and a bit of hands on experience is about all that domestic sparking requires

 

[Thor]

Well put .

 

[Octopus]

Well put .

You still need to explain what you mean by the use of the word “refute”

 

[Pete999]

The title of the thread was "Become an electrician in 18 days"
Now the culprits who pressed the dislikes on my post now need to post their opinions
If the customer is happy with the work carried out by the 18 day guy,who is laughing all the way to the bank,its certainly not the 4 year guy who was on low money and missed the party life due to required study time
I wish these instant "post a dislike" guys would actually take a moment to use that brain they conveniently forget is there to formulate opinion,its not just there to press the dummy button every so often, with little to no thought on the matter in hand

We operate in a trade that has a vast scope,it can entail complex calculations, a very technical mind to enable problems to be solved,it can entail a very high level of practical skill that may take years to accomplish,it may also entail basic electrical work that you can teach a monkey to perform in a few days

We have a tendency to bull up this trade as if it was some sort of occupation that was only performed by the elite in society

This trade can be a fine occupation,it can stimulate deep thinking and it has levels that even the best can struggle to attain
It also has a large section that requires very little skill (other than what can be acquired by most in a short space of time)

I have met people who took to electrics like a duck to water,they would outshine many domestic sparks after a few short weeks
I have also met many sparks who after a few years of training would not fill me with confidence if they worked without supervision
The time served is dependant on the complexity of the work that is intended,a short time training and a bit of hands on experience is about all that domestic sparking requires

Hi Des, I was one of the dislike posters, the reason for the dis like, was not personal at all, my reason, unlike other trades, electrics cal kill instantly, and diving non trades people advice is something, I wouldn't do, as I feel is a dangerous thing to do, imagine telling a Chippy how to do something electrical, only to find he has done so, and in the process, hurt himself or a customer of his, or worse still a member of his family. Your comment about other trades can be far better work than some of the newly qualified guys, can in some cases be a true comment, however I personally try never to give advice to non electricians, as I like to sleep at night, sorry if found my dislike not to your liking, nothing personal as I have said, and neither was it a knee jerk opinion, I simply felt it was wrong, hence the dislike.

 

[David Prosser]

My question on these courses is would people feel happy with some one who had just completed a 18 day mechanics course (previous ability or experience unknown but certainly a possibility of zero). Servicing and then MOT certifying a coach that your kids went on a school trip in. That in my mind is a similar level of responsibility and skill. But I don't think the school would be using that coach provider if they found out.

 

[pirate]

Wonky shelves...carpenter could have done better, nobody dies
Wonky plumbing, wetpants could have done better, nobody dies
Wonky gas fitter...somebody may die
Wonky electrician...somebody probably will die,especially as electrical work is held up to be a DIY thing
Wonky surgeon...somebody might die, but it's much harder to prove blame...but they do get paid quite well
Wonky footballer...very unlikely anybody will die, many will spend money on them, far too much money to watch their team play, more than they can/should really afford, and yet while the footballer earns a million times more than any of the above, people will pay their wages because that's how the world works...while neglecting the safety of their families and homes, people lavish money on players who contribute very little, and yet think they are the dogs' -------s, the mutts' nuts, the canines' cojones...

As ever, those who add real value are valued least...
Rant over!

 

[Baddegg]

Hmmm...I don't relish the idea of turning up and showing what I've got...
People laugh enough at me as it is, without showing them that!

That’ll be the pointy hat and wooden leg Pete...

 

[pirate]

The wooden leg is a problem, for sure...
The hook is more so...
but I don't wear a pointy hat these days as a bandana is way more cool!

 

[Baddegg]

Hi I’m an 18 day/Electrical Trainee/boil in the bag domestic installer amongst other trades,after many years in the building trade I’ve met some very clever time served sparks but I’ve also met some time served sparks who work for larger companies and are nothing more than installers on an industrial and or commercial level, they havnt a clue about calcs of any kind but are still “qualified sparks” they wouldn’t have a clue how to design and install on a domestic level and keep within the regs,I was also fortunate to do my courses with a man who hit 100% on every C&G exam we took (yes even the closed book ones!) but he is still a 18 day/Electrical Trainee/boil in the bag it’s seems a bit unfair to tar all with the same brush.

 

[MDJ]

So seeing post ads on local community groups on Facebook advertising Kitchen and bathroom refute minor electrical work done.

This really gets my back up and think the system is a complete joke. They may have served a electeical apprentiship for 4years like most of us, but probably just done a part p course for 2 weeks and become 'qualified'. How do they have knowledge and experience in 2 weeks ? Is there a register that only people with apprentiships can go on ? I'm thinking of just getting a gold card for the sake of showing customers.


Gggrrrrr