Building control / works certificate

Jimjamyaha · Jul 4, 2019

Hi,

In 2005 would building control / works certificate have been required for a new / extending kitchen wiring, new ceiling lights and oven installation?

In 2007 would building control / works certificate have been required for new ceiling lights, sockets, replacement of electric shower and replacement of a ventilation fan in a bathroom/utility room?

Asking as work done in a property to purchase. Vendor and builders being quite certain that certificate or building control not required.

We are suspicious as after an EICR basic faults found (no grommets in backboxes, lights not fire rated for a ceiling... Could go on).

Many thanks for your professional replies.

Deleted member 26818 · Jul 4, 2019

As far as I recall, Part P was introduced in 2005.
Any work started, or work where planning permission had been given before the introduction of Part P, would not have been required to comply.
That being said, the lack of grommets is more a non-compliance with electrical Regulations than a non-compliance with Part P.
Would need more information regarding the lack of fire rating for the lights.

westward10 · Jul 4, 2019

I stand to be corrected but at that time the works in the kitchen would have been notifiable.

ruston · Jul 4, 2019

Yes it was a special location when Part P was introduced, although I am not sure what month Part P was introduced.

westward10 · Jul 4, 2019

Like for like replacement in the bathroom providing no alterations took place, no. Utility room could be a grey area if associated with the kitchen.

westward10 · Jul 4, 2019

ruston said:
Yes it was a special location when Part P was introduced, although I am not sure what month Part P was introduced.

Ist Jan 2005.

ruston · Jul 4, 2019

westward10 said:
Ist Jan 2005.

Thanks . Kitchen was a special location then.

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

I always use grommets but many don’t; on their reasoning that grommets aren’t required if the sheath is in the back box.. Grommets only being for the installation process

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

Was the EICR satisfactory?

westward10 · Jul 4, 2019

ruston said:
Thanks . Kitchen was a special location then.

Yes it changed in 2013 but not in Wales.

Baddegg · Jul 4, 2019

Charlie_ said:
I always use grommets but many don’t; on their reasoning that grommets aren’t required if the sheath is in the back box.. Grommets only being for the installation process

Always grommet myself....just cos it looks rough as f@&k without em..

Des 56 · Jul 4, 2019

westward10 said:
Yes it changed in 2013 but not in Wales.

Quite true,we tend to be a little late to the party when it comes to common sense and getting rid of the trash

Jimjamyaha · Jul 4, 2019

Thanks everyone for your replies.

So, to sum up so far. Work in kitchen was a notifiable location according to Part P which was valid from 1 Jan 2005.
Work took place after this in mid/late 2005.

New lights and sockets were introduced (possibly on a new circuit as EICR found 2 circuits present in kitchen). The light are recessed spots in the ceiling and def not fire-rated and are in a plasterboard ceiling. Above are 3 further stories of house.

For the utility room (really a downstairs bathroom) (separated by a door from the kitchen) in 2007 this involved a refurb of replacing a ventilation fan, an electric shower but in a new location/larger size of shower area (although no confirmation that the unit power was actually like-for-like, could have easily been uprated), new ceiling lights added, new sockets added.

EICR findings:

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Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

I think I disagree with nearly all of those observations

Deleted member 26818 · Jul 4, 2019

Was planning permission obtained?

Jimjamyaha · Jul 4, 2019

spinlondon said:
Was planning permission obtained?

No planning permission was needed for the work.

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

Earth to back box?
Earth to electrician more like

Jimjamyaha · Jul 4, 2019

Charlie_ said:
I think I disagree with nearly all of those observations

Not being an expert myself I'm genuinely intrigued about the observations, and what would make you suggest a different view. Is it a matter of approach with a set of frameworks kind of thing?

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

All observations should be referenced to their respective departure from the wiring regulations..

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

Some sockets without switches??
Have the switches fell out?
Or are they unswitched sockets?

Jimjamyaha · Jul 4, 2019

Charlie_ said:
Some sockets without switches??
Have the switches fell out?
Or are they unswitched sockets?

The latter I believe.

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

Do you also have a photo of the test sheets?

Charlie_ · Jul 4, 2019

Jimjamyaha said:
The latter I believe.

If that’s the case it should be either a C1 or C2

Baddegg · Jul 4, 2019

WIth reference the gas and water bonding what earthing system is in place and what size bonding is in place?

Deleted member 26818 · Jul 4, 2019

Charlie_ said:
If that’s the case it should be either a C1 or C2

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