Ceiling Rose light to modern light

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

Hi guys,

I wish to replace a ceiling rose light with a modern light. The current wiring to ceiling rose is as follows:

1 - live (blue and red)
1 - earth (green and yellow)
1- natural (blue)
2 - loops (brown)

My new light fixture only has Connectors for

1 - live
1- natural
1 - earth

I am thinking I can wire the existing live wire and natural cables to respective connectors and use a wago connector to connect the two lopped wires.

Will this work?

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Taylortwocities · Aug 5, 2019

Yes! Make sure you use the red sleeved blue wire as the live connection to the light.

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

@Taylortwocities - hey thanks for the prompt response!

Your response is reassuring.

telectrix · Aug 5, 2019

middle terminal is permanent L (2 x browns).
bottom is N (1 from supply and 1 to light)
top is switched L (blue with red sleeve, and brown to light).
if making wago connections above ceiling, they should be enclosed inside a wagobox, with none of the basic insulation (brown/blue etc.) outside the box.
make sure the earths are connected . depending on your new fitting, this may or may not need earthing. manufacturers instructions will say.

Risteard · Aug 5, 2019

That blue should have been sleeved brown, not red.

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

Thank you all for your replies.

It’s been suggested to me that I should use the connector block from the old ceiling rose bracket and stick that in the top of the new light to close the loop.

is that a terrible idea?

telectrix · Aug 5, 2019

all depend on the new fitting. if there's room to make connections in it,(wagos) then the fitting itself provides the enclosure for the connections. don't forget that a wago connects 2 or more of the same. not like a choc block

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

Hey guys this is the finished article.

What does everyone think. Any issues?

I’ve left the connector in the enclosure and wired as described in this thread.

Three questions I mainly want to ask:

1) it was quite a squeeze to get the earth in, does it look okay?

2) the earth has two copper wires of varied length and only one is secured in the terminal block. Is that an issue?

3) should I want somebody to check the wiring should kill the switch to the downstairs lights when not in use?

I’ve never touched electrics before so understandably I’m not confident!

pirate · Aug 5, 2019

Timely reminder there, Tel!
Sometimes overlooked...

DPG · Aug 5, 2019

Both earth strands must be securely fixed I to the connector. And there is a bit too much bare copper showing on that switched live.

Having said that, I've seen worse.

pirate · Aug 5, 2019

No exposed copper at Wago...
elsewhere...

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

pirate said:
No exposed copper at Wago...
elsewhere...

I’m sorry can you explain?

There’s no exposed copper from wago. The copper that’s viable in proximity in corner left of photos is the earth strand

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

DPG said:
Both earth strands must be securely fixed I to the connector. And there is a bit too much bare copper showing on that switched live.

Having said that, I've seen worse.

Would you recommend coiling the one strand around the longer piece or cutting the large one to size?

pirate · Aug 5, 2019

Apologies. I meant that it was good that there was no exposed copper at the Wago, but a little bit elsewhere which might benefit from tidying up.

JamesL1892 · Aug 5, 2019

pirate said:
Apologies. I meant that it was good that there was no exposed copper at the Wago, but a little bit elsewhere which might benefit from tidying up.

oh okay, thank you. Appreciated

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